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On Wed, 21 May 2025 04:50:29 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote:

> On Tue, 20 May 2025 19:50:59 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote :
> 
>>> Samsung, for example (and Google) are on record (due to UK regulations
>>> requiring a written promise of support) for 7 years of full support while
>>> Apple has a measly five years of full support.
>> 
>> That must be a recent thing because Android phones, in particular, 
>> seldom had more than two years of support before they were abandoned. 
>> This was the case with smartphones when I decided to get my iPhone 13 
>> anyway. Apple offered five which looks poor compared to seven, but much 
>> better than two.
> 
> Most people think Apple's support is the best, and yet, it's the worst.
> Why is that?
> 
> The answer is simple.
> Marketing.
> 
> But how many people are aware that astoundingly huge swathes of iOS 
> released code couldn't possibly *ever* have been subjected to QA tests?
>  <https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>
> 
> Given it was proven Apple has never tested their released code, it's no 
> wonder mere teens constantly find huge holes in Apple's products.
> 
> Why do you think iOS has the most zero-day holes of any mobile OS?
> Instead of spending money on testing - Apple spends it on marketing.
> 
> And people line up outside the Apple store as a direct result of that.
> 
> Anyone who is intelligent has always known that Apple has always had the 
> absolute worst hotfix support of all common consumer operating systems.
> 
> Which is why, for example, iOS is vastly more exploited than is Android.
>   <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog> 
> 
> Take the case of hotfix processes, where Apple only in iOS 16 finally added 
> the concept of a hotfix. Before that, there was no such entity.
>   <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224>
>   <https://support.apple.com/en-ph/guide/security/sec87fc038c2/web>
> 
> Or, take the case of number of simultaneous releases supported by Apple.
>  <https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
>  <https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
>  <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>
> 
> As for the number of years of promised full support, iOS is the worst.
>  *Apple finally confirms how long it will support iPhones and it's less than Samsung and Google*
>  <https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/> 
> 
> Apple has always had the worst hotfix support in the industry.
> But stupid people only believe the marketing. They don't know any facts.
> 
> Do you think Apple is gonna tell them the facts?
> 
>>> Worse, iOS has never had a "hotfix" process until the RSRs of iOS 16.
>>> Can you believe that? No hotfixes? No wonder it's the most exploited OS!
>>> 
>>> Surprisingly, it turns out Apple was forced to admit last year that they
>>> have *never* in their entire history *ever* fully supported more than one
>>> release at a time.
>>> 
>>> And yet everyone else fully supports multiple releases simultaneously.
>>> When you know the facts, you realize why iOS is the most exploited.
>>> 
>>> The marketing doesn't ever mention the facts.
>>> But all most people know are the marketing.
>>> 
>>> So they "think" the support is the best - when it's actually the worst.
>> 
>> That is definitely something to consider when it will be time to replace 
>> this phone. For now, it works well even three years after I got it.
> 
> It was only recently that the UK forced all the mobile phone manufacturers 
> to state, in writing, how long they will promise full support.
> 
>  *Apple Commits to at Least Five Years of iPhone Security Updates*
>  "Apple has revealed its commitment to a minimum of five years of 
>   iPhone security software updates from the date a device is 
>   launched, thanks to a new legal requirement in the United Kingdom"
>  <https://www.macrumors.com/2024/06/06/apple-iphone-security-updates-five-year-minimum/>
> 
> Just as Apple has the *worst* batteries in the industry, and just as Apple has the *worst* RAM in the industry, it turns out that Apple has the worst hotfix support in terms of many metrics - one of which is length of time.
> 
>  *Apple will provide a minimum of five years of iPhone security updates*
>  <https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/6/24172843/apple-iphone-minimum-five-years-security-updates>
> 
>  *Apple Reveals Its iPhone Gets at Least 5 Years of Security Updates*
>  <https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/apple-reveals-its-iphone-gets-at-least-five-years-of-security-updates/>
> 
>  *Apple commits to 5 years of security updates for the iPhone, but that's not the whole story*
>  <https://mashable.com/article/apple-iphone-security-updates-5-years>
> 
>  *Apple says your new iPhone will get at least five years of security updates*
>  <https://www.imore.com/iphone/apple-says-your-new-iphone-will-get-at-least-five-years-of-security-updates-but-history-suggests-itll-be-significantly-longer>
> 
>  *Apple commits to minimum of five years of iPhone security software updates from the date a device is launched
>  <https://appleworld.today/apple-commits-to-minimum-of-five-years-of-iphone-security-software-updates-from-the-date-a-device-is-launched/>
> 
> Google (Pixel) and Samsung (Galaxy S series) are on record for 7 years.
>  *Samsung phones backed with seven years of full support*
>  <https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>
> 
>  *Google Pixel backed with seven years of full support*
>  <https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/google-pixel-8-software-updates>
> 
> Note that most people are so incredibly stupid that they don't know this.
> They "think" Apple fully supports phones longer - when that's simply not true.
> 
> Note that Google & Samsung support MULTIPLE SIMULTANEOUS RELEASES
> in those seven years (just as Microsoft does). But not Apple.
> 
> Most of the Apple trolls will tell you they got a patch for an old
> phone, but that's like Microsoft issuing a patch for Windows XP.
> 
> It happens. But it's not even close to "full hotfix support".
> What's no longer shocking to me is that most Apple owners are 
> so incredibly ignorant they don't know the difference between
> a. An occasional patch (which all the operating system vendors do)
> b. versus a patch to every known bug in the operating system
>  
> Apple marketing caters to incredibly ignorant people who are so
> desperate to ditch their old device that they wait outside in
> long lines just for the privilege of trading it in every few years.
> 
> Notice how I said that. Each person has their old phone, which 
> could be a year or two old - which they can't wait to get rid of.
> 
>>> They only believe what they're told to believe.
>>> And they never question it.
>> 
>> What we've learned during the rollout of the COVID vaccine is that being 
>> skeptical and asking questions is "anti-science."
> 
> Well, I happen to be well educated in microbiology so I'm well
> aware of 'what' the risks are and whether or not the thing they
> called a 'vaccine' fit the definition of their own terms or not.
> 
> On that point, did you see news released yesterday or today?
> 
>  *F.D.A. Poised to Restrict Access to Covid Vaccines*
>  <https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/20/health/fda-covid-vaccines.html>
>  "Agency leaders said there was evidence to justify approval 
>   only for older people and those with medical conditions. 
>   Many others may not be able to get the shots."
> 
> While I got the shots (since I'm an octogenarian), I knew full
> well that it was decidedly NOT a vaccine - even as they call it that.
> 
> I studied the coronaviruses way back in the sixties and seventies.
> They haven't changed since then. There are only 7 known to infect man.

May be all that is true. But Apple makes more money than any of them!