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From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
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On 5/20/2025 8:33 PM, IDentity wrote:
> On Tue, 20 May 2025 09:17:12 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 20 May 2025 07:55:38 -0700, the following appeared
>> in talk.origins, posted by John Harshman
>> <john.harshman@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> On 5/19/25 6:48 PM, IDentity wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2025 12:02:15 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://evolutionnews.org/
>>>>
>>>> "Nothing in biology has a purpose."
>>>
>>> "Nothing in biology makes sense."
>>>          -- Theodosius Dobzhansky
>>>
>> "...except in the light of evolution."
>>
> 
> Nothing wrong with evolution except you need to replace "random
> mutations and natural selection" with "intelligent design and
> interaction".

No, just more obfuscation and denial.  What you need to replace the 
creationist's claims about evolution with is what it actually is. 
Random mutations and natural selection are just factual things that 
happen in nature, so they do not need replacing.  What needs to be done 
with the creationist lies about the topic is to put up all that we 
understand about biological evolution.  Things like genetic drift, 
genetic linkage and chromosomal recombination.  Founder effects have a 
lot to do with what gets selected or just fixed due to drift. 
Biological evolution is just a fact of nature.  We already understand 
many of the mechanisms involved with the diversification of life on 
earth.  All that the ID perps can hope for is that intelligent design 
might be added to what we already understand about biological evolution. 
  That is why ID died on TO when the ID perps put out their Top Six best 
evidences for the ID creationist scam in the order in which they must 
have logically occurred in this universe.  It turned out that most of 
the IDiots on TO (probably all) never wanted the ID perps to succeed in 
developing any real ID science because it would just be more science to 
deny.  There is only one nature to study, and nature is not Biblical. 
Most of them quit supporting the ID scam, and the remainder slipped into 
perpetual denial of reality like yourself.

Dembski admitted that natural selection could be the designer for some 
of the evolution we have observed, but natural selection isn't the god 
that Dembski wants to worship.  All ID perps like Behe want to do is 
demonstrate that natural selection isn't the designer for the evolution 
that we do not fully understand at this time, like for his flagellum. 
Behe flat out admitted that whale evolution could have happened by 
Darwinian mechanisms (natural mechanisms) but tried to continue his 
evolution denial by claiming that it was devolution and not evolution. 
Behe specifically stated that natural selection would have been expected 
to have selected for the broken genes if there was some selective 
advantage to breaking those genes.  The genes were obviously not 
functional, and their remnants could still be found in the whale genome 
just where their terrestrial relatives still have the fully functional 
genes.

If ID perps like Behe ever did find the 3 neutral mutations that had to 
occur in some flagellar gene over a billion years ago in order to evolve 
some type of flagellar function, you would likely go into denial and 
refuse to believe that it could have been done by the intelligent 
designer.  Just think of how many YEC (the majority of support for the 
modern ID creationist scam) would abandon the ID scam if Meyer was ever 
able to demonstrate designer design during the 25 million year period 
over a billion years ago that was the Cambrian explosion.

Have you ever dealt with the Top Six in an honest and straight forward 
manner?  The god that fills the Top Six IDiotic gaps is not the Biblical 
god.  Most of the TO IDiots quit the ID scam when they had the Top Six 
rubbed in their faces as they actually exist in nature.

Ron Okimoto