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From: Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com>
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Subject: Re: "Starter Villain" by John Scalzi
Date: Wed, 21 May 2025 08:43:56 -0700
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On 5/21/25 08:31, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Tue, 20 May 2025 19:13:52 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
> <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/12/25 08:43, Paul S Person wrote:
>>> On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:38:01 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
>>> Dorsey) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> When I got into grad school in Mechanical Engineering at TAMU in 1982, I
>>>>> was the only USA citizen.  The rot has been going on that long.  I
>>>>> dropped out when I found a job that spring when I got my undergraduate
>>>>> degree.
>>>>
>>>> That's a different problem.  That's the lack of interested and qualified
>>>> American students for engineering programs.  Also... when
>>>> I was an undergrad I heard a lot of freshman engineering students talking
>>>> about how they had picked their major entirely because they expected to
>>>> make big money as engineers.  This is not the way to get good engineering
>>>> graduates.
>>>>
>>>> I blame this on a lot of things, not just middle and high school math
>>>> programs being pretty terrible, but also on stuff like the disappearance
>>>> of shop classes in school.  I deal with a lot of fresh-outs who have an
>>>> engineering degree but don't know how to pick the right size screwdriver
>>>> for a screw... but worse are the kids who never got interested in mechanical
>>>> stuff enough to consider engineering in the first place.
>>>>
>>>> If anything I am pleased at the number of foreign students in engineering
>>>> programs, because a lot of them decide to stay in the US and become
>>>> well-educated Americans.  But then, I think of engineering as a calling like
>>>> the priesthood and not just a fast-money job.  (It's true that I would
>>>> probably make a lot more money if I didn't.)
>>>
>>> IIRC, something called "STEM" exists to ameliorate that problem.
>>>
>>> Of course, since it isn't restricted to White Males it will shortly be
>>> halted as being part of DEI.
>>>
>>> BTW, it was known in the 60s that there simply weren't enough White
>>> Males to fill all of the positions requiring something other than a
>>> Liberal Arts degree that would have to be filled. Ultimately, it is
>>> sheer economic necessity that is driving STEM and DEI.
>>
>> 	Not what the present Federal mal-adminstration wants to realize.
> 
> Myself, I am waiting to see how the Dems manage to lose the mid-terms.
> I would prefer they didn't, but they appear to be locked in the past
> -- and have still not figured out that whenever Hillary, Bernie, or
> Bernie's friends (especially the Represntative from Hamas) opens their
> mouth they lose votes.

	Bernie and his friend are speaking to gatherings of people comparable 
to Trump rallies and make more sense than that individual ever did.
> 
> Muzzles are needed!

	They certainly are but not by the people speaking to enthusiastic 
crowds and
who consider Palestinians to be people who deserve fewer murders by bomb and
shell, not to mention IDF who shoot people that were hostages of HAMAS among
others.
	The DNC is responsible for losing the last election as they controlled the
spread of the Democratic message to many groups and under-advertised the
previous administration's accomplishments.  Individual democratic 
politicians
are winning many positions formerly locked up by Republicans.  That is the
Trump effect.

	bliss