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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Mike Terry Proves --- How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met Date: Wed, 21 May 2025 21:36:12 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 35 Message-ID: <100l9vd$30b4k$4@dont-email.me> References: <1005jsk$3akrk$1@dont-email.me> <bc6f0f045212bdfb7f7d883426873a09e37789ea@i2pn2.org> <1005u6v$3cpt2$1@dont-email.me> <1006oi9$3l93f$1@dont-email.me> <1007kan$3qb7l$8@dont-email.me> <1009n2d$b9ol$1@dont-email.me> <100ag73$g1r8$1@dont-email.me> <100c83u$tspg$1@dont-email.me> <100ctuc$121rs$1@dont-email.me> <100d5b7$13m1e$1@dont-email.me> <221167c1bbedbbda1934b12f6b2c72de2c3a1f78@i2pn2.org> <100dckr$1586e$1@dont-email.me> <c5c825970bebea6bd8bfde7077f7ffc5ba0c30f5@i2pn2.org> <100dedr$15dil$3@dont-email.me> <771e0f3f36c9914146f675bc9e2c1c0e7903c116@i2pn2.org> <100dfc8$15qbo$1@dont-email.me> <35c9fb020e868823c3e46c006d9ac4698eaf4f82@i2pn2.org> <100dl6g$16vdn$1@dont-email.me> <f02a2fb26f6e1dedd29638f9b42befaab4781f17@i2pn2.org> <100dst7$18epo$1@dont-email.me> <100f18f$1iree$1@dont-email.me> <100gvv6$22oen$2@dont-email.me> <100h9le$24iha$1@dont-email.me> <100i43k$292ko$2@dont-email.me> <100k1si$2o9h6$1@dont-email.me> <100kro3$2tae8$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 21 May 2025 21:36:13 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2ac37daa3784824b3058ecc768e4deff"; logging-data="3157140"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18CnxnK3xBqLi+rKhe7z2Ks" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:/PTbnjC7o6BEOxv/7UYzv4cG+2U= In-Reply-To: <100kro3$2tae8$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: nl, en-GB Op 21.mei.2025 om 17:33 schreef olcott: > On 5/21/2025 3:12 AM, Mikko wrote: >> On 2025-05-20 14:37:40 +0000, olcott said: >> >>> On 5/20/2025 2:06 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>> On 2025-05-20 04:20:54 +0000, olcott said: >>>> >>>>> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> >>>>> If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its >>>>> input D until H correctly determines that its simulated D >>>>> would never stop running unless aborted then >>>>> >>>>> Do you understand that we are only evaluating whether >>>>> or not HHH/DDD meets this above criteria? >>>> >>>> I do understand that the meaning of the behaviour is not mentioned >>>> in the creteria and is therefore irrelevant, an obvious consequence >>>> of which is that your "WRONG!" above is false. >>> >>> *H correctly simulates its input D until* >>> specifies that HHH must simulate DDD according >>> to the meaning of the rules of the x86 language. >> >> The words Sipser agreed to do not refer to that specification, and >> is irrelevant to the fact that the meaning of the behaviour, if >> there is any, isn't referred there, either. >> > > Sure they do. There is only a single measure of > *H correctly simulates its input D* > When the language of D is the x86 language. > And that is not the measure of a partial simulation that misses the part where the input specifies the abort and halts.