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On 5/19/2025 7:40 PM, Your Name wrote:
> On 2025-05-19 19:31:45 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:
>> On 5/10/2025 12:36 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> writes:
>>>> In article <vvm0je$338te$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2025-05-09 16:45:30 +0000, Robert Woodward said:
>>>>>> In article <cb9s1k9ci1pmmh56324s04gs22mhk3v97c@4ax.com>,
>>>>>> Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 8 May 2025 19:56:21 +0300, "Dob" <dobkun@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> political bullshit like this pisses me off, please do not post 
>>>>>>>> links like
>>>>>>>> these again, thank you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is Lynn's (or the cartoonist's) fault that Musk has made 
>>>>>>> himself an
>>>>>>> object of ridicule.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is the sentence above missing a "not"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe, or perhaps the first two words need to be swapped and a 
>>>>> question
>>>>> mark added to the end of the sentence.  :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Muskrat didn't make himself an object of ridicule ... he has *ALWAYS*
>>>>> been an object of ridicule.
>>>>
>>>> Really? When Tesla couldn't make cars fast enough to meet demand? When
>>>> SpaceX boosters started to stick their landings on barges?
>>>
>>> As is well known, musk didn't found tesla, just injected money into
>>> it.  As first the market with a reasonably priced electric vehicle
>>> with reasonable range, they dominated the market.  There are now
>>> significant competitors in the market, both domestic and foreign,
>>> with comparable vehicles (and in many cases, better).   Tesla hasn't 
>>> a plan
>>> for a new model[***], and has only made minor updates to the existing
>>> three vehicle lines (we'll consider the cybertruck a failure
>>> for the purposes of this analysis).  Relying on a future robocab
>>> market (with Waymo already in operation) to rescue Tesla seems
>>> to be a wall-street fantasy[*]
>>>
>>> Likewise, the SpaceX boosters are the product of a wide variety
>>> of young enthusiastic engineers working with industry veterans
>>> to produce a fine line of rockets[**].   Musk provided funding,
>>> and professionals provided the engineering.  One can certainly
>>> admire the skills of Ms. Shotwell in running the company with
>>> all the shenanigans her CEO is up to all the time.
>>>
>>> He's otherwise a wealthy south african white supremecist who obviously
>>> paid someone to take his US Citizenship examination in his place
>>> and benefited from the timing of the 1999 dot bomb (by selling
>>> his failing payments company X to PayPal for many multiples over
>>> fair valution).
>>>
>>> [*] Disclosure, I've been a TSLA shareholder since the IPO.  And
>>> I voted -twice- against his ridiculous 56Billion stock grant,
>>> which, fortunately, has been voided twice by a court.
>>>
>>> [**] Were it possible, I'd own shares in it.
>>>
>>> [***] Like Boeing, they're looking at today's profit, not tomorrow's
>>> replacement for the 737.
>>
>> Ah, the voice of the jealous jumps up again.
>>
>> Lynn
> 
> Why would anyone be jealous of Elongated Muskrat?!? He is a complete 
> moron, who looks insane, and is hated by almost everybody. Even his 
> buddy Trump the Chump wants to get rid of the Muskrat now he's outlasted 
> the small amount of usefulness to him.

I suspect you held a different opinion of him in 2017.

He didn't found Tesla, but did build it into the first successful new
American car company in 50 years, and made the EV a serious option for
drivers. The Model Y was the highest selling vehicle of any kind in
2024.

He did found SpaceX, and has slashed cost to orbit at least 6 fold,
with much further improvement expected.

Those are real, objective accomplishments, and pissing on them because
you detest his politics doesn't make them go away.

It takes a certain type of management skill and talent to achieve
those goals, and he clearly has it in spades. In other areas, such
as charity and compassion, he is sadly lacking.

Just to be clear: I detest his politics and his personality. He's
shown us just how badly we need campaign contribution limits.

My Tesla has gone from being Greta Thunberg's preferred ride to a
'swasticar'. Its been a face/heel turn of astounding scale.

I can hate his personality and politics, while still liking the
cars and rockets, and recognizing that they wouldn't have happened
without him at the helm.

pt