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On 2025-05-21 19:51:56 +0000, Cryptoengineer said:
> On 5/19/2025 7:40 PM, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2025-05-19 19:31:45 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:
>>> On 5/10/2025 12:36 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> writes:
>>>>> In article <vvm0je$338te$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-05-09 16:45:30 +0000, Robert Woodward said:
>>>>>>> In article <cb9s1k9ci1pmmh56324s04gs22mhk3v97c@4ax.com>,
>>>>>>> Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 8 May 2025 19:56:21 +0300, "Dob" <dobkun@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> political bullshit like this pisses me off, please do not post links 
>>>>>>>>> like these again, thank you
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It is Lynn's (or the cartoonist's) fault that Musk has made himself an 
>>>>>>>> object of ridicule.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is the sentence above missing a "not"?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Maybe, or perhaps the first two words need to be swapped and a question 
>>>>>> mark added to the end of the sentence.  :-)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Muskrat didn't make himself an object of ridicule ... he has *ALWAYS*
>>>>>> been an object of ridicule.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Really? When Tesla couldn't make cars fast enough to meet demand? When
>>>>> SpaceX boosters started to stick their landings on barges?
>>>> 
>>>> As is well known, musk didn't found tesla, just injected money into
>>>> it.  As first the market with a reasonably priced electric vehicle
>>>> with reasonable range, they dominated the market.  There are now
>>>> significant competitors in the market, both domestic and foreign,
>>>> with comparable vehicles (and in many cases, better).   Tesla hasn't 
>>>> a plan for a new model[***], and has only made minor updates to the 
>>>> existing three vehicle lines (we'll consider the cybertruck a failure
>>>> for the purposes of this analysis).  Relying on a future robocab
>>>> market (with Waymo already in operation) to rescue Tesla seems
>>>> to be a wall-street fantasy[*]
>>>> 
>>>> Likewise, the SpaceX boosters are the product of a wide variety
>>>> of young enthusiastic engineers working with industry veterans
>>>> to produce a fine line of rockets[**].   Musk provided funding,
>>>> and professionals provided the engineering.  One can certainly
>>>> admire the skills of Ms. Shotwell in running the company with
>>>> all the shenanigans her CEO is up to all the time.
>>>> 
>>>> He's otherwise a wealthy south african white supremecist who obviously
>>>> paid someone to take his US Citizenship examination in his place
>>>> and benefited from the timing of the 1999 dot bomb (by selling
>>>> his failing payments company X to PayPal for many multiples over
>>>> fair valution).
>>>> 
>>>> [*] Disclosure, I've been a TSLA shareholder since the IPO.  And
>>>> I voted -twice- against his ridiculous 56Billion stock grant,
>>>> which, fortunately, has been voided twice by a court.
>>>> 
>>>> [**] Were it possible, I'd own shares in it.
>>>> 
>>>> [***] Like Boeing, they're looking at today's profit, not tomorrow's
>>>> replacement for the 737.
>>> 
>>> Ah, the voice of the jealous jumps up again.
>>> 
>>> Lynn
>> 
>> Why would anyone be jealous of Elongated Muskrat?!? He is a complete 
>> moron, who looks insane, and is hated by almost everybody. Even his 
>> buddy Trump the Chump wants to get rid of the Muskrat now he's 
>> outlasted the small amount of usefulness to him.
> 
> I suspect you held a different opinion of him in 2017.

Nope. Elongated Muskrat has *always* been a weird looney. So has Trump 
the Chump.




> He didn't found Tesla, but did build it into the first successful new
> American car company in 50 years, and made the EV a serious option for
> drivers. The Model Y was the highest selling vehicle of any kind in
> 2024.

And now he can't even give the cars away ... cars that we already knew 
were complete crap. Even a couple of years ago I wouldn't have had one 
for free (other than to have it crushed to get the garbage off the 
roads!).



> He did found SpaceX, and has slashed cost to orbit at least 6 fold,
> with much further improvement expected.

As with all his companies ... *he* doesn't do any actual work there. 
He's simply a looney figurehead and money machine, that everybody 
working there wishes he would keep his mouth shut and be a *silent* 
partner.



> Those are real, objective accomplishments, and pissing on them because
> you detest his politics doesn't make them go away.

His politics are only the latest part of his lunatic antics.



> It takes a certain type of management skill and talent to achieve
> those goals, and he clearly has it in spades.

Nope. The people who do the acvtual work at those companies have the 
skill and talent. Elongated Muskrat is simply a massive albatross 
around their necks.



> In other areas, such as charity and compassion, he is sadly lacking.
> 
> Just to be clear: I detest his politics and his personality. He's
> shown us just how badly we need campaign contribution limits.
> 
> My Tesla has gone from being Greta Thunberg's preferred ride to a
> 'swasticar'. Its been a face/heel turn of astounding scale.
> 
> I can hate his personality and politics, while still liking the
> cars and rockets, and recognizing that they wouldn't have happened
> without him at the helm.
> 
> pt