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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: sci.lang Subject: Re: How and why did English lose "thou" Date: Thu, 22 May 2025 11:08:01 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 30 Message-ID: <100mphi$3cthv$1@dont-email.me> References: <795757794.769464005.411061.grimblecrumble870-gmail.com@news.newsdemon.com> <1920573889.769468456.142370.grimblecrumble870-gmail.com@news.newsdemon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 22 May 2025 11:08:03 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="58f010055e9effe36304aa1358193c91"; logging-data="3569215"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/XDYlUJ9OE9+MdkQq3dAUi5QaCKsHN12Q=" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:BXyi0AIkgkLLL1lftITIoUaroPw= Bytes: 2178 On 2025-05-20 21:14:57 +0000, Grimble Crumble said: > Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote: >> ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote or quoted: >>> Other languages kept the whole formal/informal thing >> >> So, I've noticed that calling someone "Sir" in English kind of >> lines up with how we use the more formal "Sie" in German, where >> there's a bit of distance. On the other hand, if you use "dude", >> it feels a lot more familiar, like the German "Du". >> >> But it also depends on where you are. Like, if a woman in >> the audience asks a question during a talk, a speaker in >> the South might call her "Ma'am!" to bring her into the >> conversation. If you tried that in England, though, you >> might get, "Please don't call me 'Ma'am'!" >> >> >> > > Well thanks for the explanation Be careful, though, with what Stefan says: he invents a lot of stuff. The last sentence strikes me as nonsensical speculation. I'd be exceedingly surprised if he's ever heard anyone in England say "Please don't call me 'Ma'am'". I certainly haven't, in 82 years. -- Athel cb