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Subject: Re: Fans Are COMPLETELY GIVING UP ON Doctor Who- Here's Why.
Date: Thu, 22 May 2025 18:00:12 +0100
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On 22/05/2025 17:32, The Last Doctor wrote:
> On 22/05/2025 14:18, Blueshirt wrote:
>> The True Doctor wrote:
>>
>>> On 22/05/2025 04:48, Tim Merrigan wrote:
>>> > > Hartnel is before my time, but I'm a Tom Baker (and Jon
>>> > Pertwee) fan,  and I have no problem with Ncuti Gatwa, or
>>> > Jodie Whittaker, for that  matter.  And the Timeless Child
>>> > is just a plot device and very unlikely  to be retconed.
>>>
>>> Then Doctor Who will stay dead and buried. The Timeless Child
>>> monster is not just a plot device. 
> 
> "The Timeless Child Monster" does not exist in the show. It's warped fanfic
> distorted through the deluded lens of Aggie's imagination.

It's warped fan fic and you don't need any kind of lens to see if for 
what it is. It totally destroys the character of the Doctor by turning 
him into Doomsday from Marvel Comics.

> 
> There is a "Timeless Child" native in the show but it doesn't do what Aggie
> repeatedly insists it does k orde to serve his nihilistic agenda.
> 

It's Chibnall's nihilistic agenda against the fans that created it.

>>> It rewrites the origin
>>> story of the Doctor 
> 
> No, it sets out an origin story. There had never been an origin story for
> the Doctor in the show before. The adventures start in media res with a
> Doctor already exiled for an unknown length of time from his mysterious
> homeworld, along with his granddaughter.

The origin story of the Doctor is that he is a Time Lord that left his 
home planet Gallifrey in a stolen TARDIS along with his granddaughter 
Susan in order to explore the universe because his people had isolated 
themselves from everyone. There is nothing that comes before that other 
than the Doctor being born on Gallifrey, walking arccos the Gallifreyan 
grassland with his biological father, his mother being human, and him 
being sent to boarding school where he lived in a barn and had a toy 
soldier.

There is absolutely NOTHING that came before that.

Clara saw all of the Doctor's past incarnation when she entered the 
Space-Time Vortex and there were only 11 previous incarnations of the 
Doctor including John Hurt.

Matt Smith erased all of his previous incarnations from history so he 
would have known that there was no one before Hartnell and he would not 
lie about that to Clara.

> 
>>> and turns them into genocidal monster
> 
> This is complete invention. There is nothing in the brief snatches of the
> "pre Hartnell" lifetimes of the Doctor that we have seen to suggest that
> this is in any way true.

Everything that we are shown in The Timeless Children and the finale of 
Flux demonstrates that the mission of Tekteun and the Timeless Child 
child monster was to commit crimes against humanity on an intergalactic 
scale and ultimately destroy all life in this universe so that they 
could proceed to destroy all life in the other universe.

We see Jo Martin running away from the Timeless Child's crimes, being 
captured, and then after having her memory erased being turned into a 
white baby boy which is supposed to be William Hartnell. We also see 
Jodie Whittaker refused to take responsibility for the Timeless Child's 
crimes.

> 
>>> created from an abducted and abused little black girl from another 
>>> dimension
> 
> Also completely untrue. The Doctor is said to be an alien child found
> abandoned in front of a dimensional portal - and they are then, yes,
> systematically subjected to heinous experimentation by Tecteun that leads
> to taking their DNA and splicing it into early Gallifreyans as one element
> of their becoming Timelords, gaining their regeneration capabilities in
> this way. It's implied that Rassilon sets an artificial limit of 12 on
> regenerations for the Timelords as a limit on their tremendous power. But
> none of this is the responsibility or fault of the Doctor, and it's
> sketched out in almost zero detail.

It's all pure fan fiction. The ending of The Five Doctors shows that 
Rassilon NEVER possessed the ability to regenerate. Regeneration was 
invented after Rassilon was dead and entombed in his tower. Regeneration 
as we are shown in The Deadly Assassin and the TVM, as well as the 
origin story of River Song stems from the Eye of Harmony and the 
Space-Time Vortex.

> 
> 
>>> that is running away from the crimes of it's
>>> past.
> 
> The Fugitive Doctor ran away because she decided the things she was being
> asked to do were wrong. It's implied that they were. But we have no idea

After doing all of these WRONG THINGS for tens of thousands or even 
millions of regeneration. She's no different to the Nazi concentration 
camp guards that stood by and allowed the Jews and others to be 
exterminated. She's a complete monster.

> what these things were or for how long they went on. So she was running to
> escape complicity in further crimes, not one the run from her crimes.
> 

She was already complicit in previous crimes. She's like the Nazis that 
fled to Latin America in order to hide under different identities.

> That Doctor was captured and her memory erased. So the Doctor we know left
> Gallifrey for reasons that have still never been transparently stated.
> 

We were shown exactly why the Doctor left Gallifrey in The Name of the 
Doctor and that there were no incarnations before Hartnell.


>> So you have said, many times. But is a story-line from the past
>> and the show has now moved on. No "Doctor Who" showrunner is
>> going to devote precious time in a 45 minute episode to
>> un-write something like that from a previous era... especially
>> after they explicitly said they wouldn't!
> 
> Well they can't very well unwrite Aggie's version of the story, as it's
> patently deranged bollocks with no basis in the show.
> Can't unwrite something that was never written.

Wrong!

> 
> RTD has incorporated "orphan" into the Doctor's psyche, and has now also
> included a brief scene binding the Fugitive Doctor's past into the present
> knowledge. So no, no sign of a retcon, more a sort of minor "acknowledge
> and move on" - as many of the saner among us always thought and said would
> happen.
> 

The Doctor was not an orphan. He knew his father and he remembers 
walking with him in the Gallifreyan countryside.

The Timeless Child monster totally destroys Matt Smith's entire story 
arc where we are shown there are only 11 Doctors plus the War Doctor. 
The Timeless Child monster also totally destroys the entirety of Doctor 
Who. There were no incarnations before William Hartnell. The Timeless 
Child monster is degenerate fan fic.

-- 
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw

"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it 
stands for." -William Shatner