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From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi>
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Subject: Re: Mike Terry Proves --- How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met
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On 2025-05-22 22:35:51 +0000, olcott said:

> On 5/22/2025 3:18 AM, Mikko wrote:
>> On 2025-05-21 15:33:23 +0000, olcott said:
>> 
>>> On 5/21/2025 3:12 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>> On 2025-05-20 14:37:40 +0000, olcott said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/20/2025 2:06 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-05-20 04:20:54 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>>>>>>>      If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its
>>>>>>>      input D until H correctly determines that its simulated D
>>>>>>>      would never stop running unless aborted then
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Do you understand that we are only evaluating whether
>>>>>>> or not HHH/DDD meets this above criteria?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I do understand that the meaning of the behaviour is not mentioned
>>>>>> in the creteria and is therefore irrelevant, an obvious consequence
>>>>>> of which is that your "WRONG!" above is false.
>>>>> 
>>>>> *H correctly simulates its input D until*
>>>>> specifies that HHH must simulate DDD according
>>>>> to the meaning of the rules of the x86 language.
>>>> 
>>>> The words Sipser agreed to do not refer to that specification, and
>>>> is irrelevant to the fact that the meaning of the behaviour, if
>>>> there is any, isn't referred there, either.
>>> 
>>> Sure they do. There is only a single measure of
>>> *H correctly simulates its input D*
>>> When the language of D is the x86 language.
>> 
>> No, they do not. Sipser said nothing about any specific language. That
>> you may apply his words to a specific language does not mean that
>> Sipser referred to that language.
> 
> *If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D*
> What is the criterion measure of a correct simulation?
> 
> _DDD()
> [00002192] 55             push ebp
> [00002193] 8bec           mov ebp,esp
> [00002195] 6892210000     push 00002192
> [0000219a] e833f4ffff     call 000015d2  // call HHH
> [0000219f] 83c404         add esp,+04
> [000021a2] 5d             pop ebp
> [000021a3] c3             ret
> Size in bytes:(0018) [000021a3]
> 
> The damned liars here are trying to get away with
> a correct simulation of DDD interprets: "push ebp"
> to mean "jmp 000021a3"

A straw man fallcy is a lie, so you are lying.

-- 
Mikko