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From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Google's response to the future of the ID creationist scam
Date: Fri, 23 May 2025 20:47:37 -0500
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On 5/22/2025 3:19 PM, RonO wrote:
> https://www.google.com/search? 
> q=What+is+the+future+of+intelligent+design+creationism&rlz=1C1VDKB_enUS1114US1114&oq=What+is+the+future+of+intelligent+design+creationism&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigATIHCAMQIRigATIHCAQQIRigATIHCAUQIRirAtIBCjIzNzgzajBqMTWoAgiwAgHxBTXvrIcDduW5&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
> 
> This is what I got when I asked Google "What is the future of 
> intelligent design creationism"
> 
> QUOTE:
> The future of intelligent design (ID) is characterized by continued 
> advocacy for its inclusion in science education, while simultaneously 
> facing ongoing scientific and legal challenges. While ID proponents 
> argue for the need to teach the "controversy" surrounding evolution, and 
> suggest that ID offers an alternative explanation for the origin of 
> life, scientific consensus overwhelmingly supports evolution.
> 
> Elaboration:
> 
> Continued Advocacy:
> ID advocates continue to push for the inclusion of ID alongside 
> evolution in science education, arguing that it represents a legitimate 
> alternative explanation for the origin of life.
> 
> Scientific Challenges:
> The scientific community overwhelmingly rejects ID as a scientific 
> explanation, citing a lack of empirical evidence and adherence to the 
> principles of scientific methodology.
> 
> Legal Challenges:
> The legal system has largely sided with scientific consensus, ruling 
> against the teaching of ID in public school science classes.
> 
> Ongoing Debates:
> Despite legal setbacks, ID advocates continue to engage in public 
> debates and legal challenges, aiming to influence science education 
> policies and public opinion.
> 
> Shift in Strategy:
> While some ID proponents initially focused on teaching ID as an 
> alternative to evolution, more recent efforts emphasize attacking 
> evolution itself, often under the guise of "academic freedom" or 
> "critical analysis".
> 
> Religious Influence:
> The influence of religious beliefs on the ID movement is undeniable, 
> with proponents frequently drawing on theological arguments to support 
> their claims.
> 
> Public Opinion:
> Public opinion on ID remains divided, with some individuals and groups 
> supporting the idea while others strongly oppose it.
> 
> Potential for Future Evolution:
> While the future of ID as a mainstream scientific theory is uncertain, 
> its continued advocacy and the ongoing debates surrounding science 
> education suggest that it will remain a topic of interest and 
> controversy for the foreseeable future.
> END QUOTE:
> 
> Google notes that using ID as bait for the Teach ID scam is still going 
> on.  West Virginia 2024 and North Dakota 2025 indicate that there are 
> still creationist rubes willing to take the bait.
> 
> What Google misses is the fact that the ID perps at the Discovery 
> Institute have been the major force keeping ID out of the public schools 
> since they started running the bait and switch scam back in 2002.  Even 
> though the ID perps keep telling the rubes that ID can be taught in the 
> public schools the bait and switch has gone down 100% of the time, and 
> no rubes ever get any ID to teach.
> 
> It is sad because all creationists should understand, at this late date, 
> that the bait and switch has gone down in 100% of the cases where 
> creationist rubes have wanted to teach the creation science of ID.  No 
> one is ever going to get any ID science to teach in the public schools 
> from the ID perps at the Discovery Institute.  All any creationist rubes 
> have ever gotten from the ID perps is an obfuscation and denial switch 
> scam that the ID perps tell them has nothing to do with ID nor creationism.
> 
> Ron Okimoto
> 

It should be noted that the ID perps at the Discovery Institute are the 
only intelligent design advocates that I know of that are still claiming 
to be able to teach the scientific theory of ID in the public schools.

https://www.discovery.org/f/1453/

The ID Network used to advocate teaching the junk in the public schools, 
but when the bait and switch started they removed those claims from 
their web site and started selling the switch scam.  After the failure 
of ID in Dover the ID network stopped updating their web site in 2009. 
They hadn't had a press release since 2007 when they objected to the 
Ohio State school board's cancellation of the switch scam stupidity.

The ID network changed their name to COPE (Citizens for Objective Public 
Education) in order to sell the switch scam without having ID in the 
name of their organization, but COPE was an abject failure and no one 
bought the obfuscation and denial switch scam from them.

After around 8 years of failure they activated their old web page again, 
but it still doesn't have anything about teaching ID.  It claims that ID 
is a research program, and they do not even claim to have a scientific 
theory of ID.  They just claim to be looking for positive evidence for 
design in nature.

http://intelligentdesignnetwork.org/

The ID perps at the Discovery Institute are the only ones still 
advocating teaching the junk in the public schools, but they keep 
running the bait and switch on any creationist rubes that take them up 
on their claims about being able to teach the junk in the public schools.

Ron Okimoto