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On 5/23/2025 12:34 PM, BGB wrote:
> On 5/23/2025 12:03 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> writes:
>>> On 5/23/2025 9:21 AM, John Levine wrote:
>>>> According to Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net>:
>>>>>>> Don’t you have regulations, or at least discouragements, against 
>>>>>>> e-waste
>>>>>>> going to landfill?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, in the last two decades.   A quarter century ago, not so much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is 'Murica, pretty much everything goes in the trash here...
>>>>>
>>>>> Nonsense.
>>>>
>>>> It's sort of true. In my town they pick up paper and containers and 
>>>> yard waste
>>>> at the curb but I have to take electronics down to the recycling 
>>>> dump. Most
>>>> people don't bother.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Theoretically, they pick up recycling (paper and plastic), but whether
>>> or not they bother is another matter. Usually the garbage trucks come by
>>> and empty both bins, so it might not make much difference.
>>
>> There are trucks that have two holding areas, so they can make
>> the trip with one truck rather than two.  In my rural neighborhood,
>> there are three trucks - trash, recycling and greenwaste.  I have
>> the smallest trash can they offer and it takes me two to three
>> weeks to fill it.
>>
> 
> No greenwaste trucks, one has to take any tree branches or similar down 
> to the greenwaste place themselves, if not burn them.
> 
> The area I am in, isn't really either urban or rural I think.
> IIRC, yard here is around 2.5 acre, whereas a neighbor has somewhere 
> around 8 acres (so a much bigger yard).
> 
> Another neighbor (across a different fence), having a much smaller yard 
> (around 1 acre).
> 
> Contrast, say, in suburbs or housing developments where the houses are 
> basically right next to each other with very little yard space.
> 

Well, I am now not so sure about my area estimates...
   I think my numbers were a bit off.


But, as I understand it:
   1/4 acre, typical for suburbs;
     Much of the lot is taken up by the house itself.
     Yard is mostly superficial (*1).
   1/2 acre, slightly bigger yard
     Say, neighbor's house is like 20 feet away or something.
   1 acre
     Roughly the size of a typical used car lot or gas station.
   2 acre
     Roughly twice the area of a gas station.
     Could fit multiple houses if each had a smaller yard.
   ...



*1: Say, the setup where you can walk around the house, and a back yard 
that is maybe big enough to set up an outdoor sitting space, or a small 
garden shed, but not much else.




Thinking some, not sure the size of the neighbors' yard, but could 
probably fit maybe 9 to 12 houses at housing-development densities. If 
one assumes each house is 1/4 acre, it reduces the estimate to 3 acres.

Part of neighbor's yard has a trees (like semi-forested), I think he 
cuts them down sometimes, and has a big pile of firewood.




But, neighbors yard is bigger than mine, which could maybe only fit 4 
houses (if put closer together).

But, this would only be a little under acre by this line of reasoning.

Then again, if my house wasn't here, could probably fit a gas station in 
the same space, so this much checks out.


The yard also has some trees, I think roughly 9 large ones (and a few 
smaller trees). The yard is subdivided into several subsections by 
chainlink fences. There is a smaller inner section that we let the dog 
run in (the outer sections are not fully enclosed, so if the dog got out 
of the inner yard, she could run free)


This smaller inner-area has several steel garden sheds and a 2 car 
garage. In this case, plot shape is shorter and wider rather than long 
and narrow.

To fit 4 copies of the house in it, would likely put them side by side, 
and front/back (the house is also wider than it is deep).



> 
> At the relative's house, I think the yard is in the area of 4 acres (so, 
> enough that we could set up a machine shop in the back yard, along with 
> a few storage units, etc).
> 

Not sure, could maybe fit 6 copies of his house front-to-back. However, 
the yard is fairly narrow, say, only around 15 feet or so to the fence.

Crude estimate:
House: ~ 60 feet square, + ~ 15 feet on each size, ~ 30 foot front yard. 
Unclear back yard size.

Mental estimate based on estimated house size/etc: ~ 400 feet; est ~ 
36000 ft^2.

But, this only works out to around 1 acre (way off from my prior estimate).



If I do mental visual estimates with a shipping container (there are a 
few in said yard), yard is maybe 3 shipping containers wide, and around 
7 containers front to back (or, ~ 34000 feet; or still under ~ 1 acre).

The machine shop is roughly square, and roughly the same side on each 
side as the shipping container (so, ~ 1600 ft^2 ?).

I have a plasma cutter table, this is roughly 6 x 9 feet (though, only 
4x4 feet is usable for material, but adds ~ 2 feet on the sides). The 
width of the shop is roughly 3x the length of the plasma table. But this 
falls short if the estimate based on the length of the shipping container.


> The neighbor with the horses has a much bigger yard, maybe 12 acres, but 
> I think maybe much smaller and horses would be unhappy as they seem to 
> like to run around and would need at least some distance to get up to 
> speed.
> 

Well, will probably also need to adjust this down as well, but that yard 
is still very large.

Maybe 8 x 12 shipping containers (length-wise)?...

There is a house off in a corner, behind a fence, along with some horse 
stables and similar.


Either way, it is large enough that the horses can run in a big circle 
and jump over a creek and some logs and similar if they want.



> Maybe counts as rural, dunno...
> 

Well, at least the horse yard maybe counts.

Across from this yard, there is a road. Across that road is a large 
undeveloped area.

At the intersection for this road, one path leads to a Costco and an 
Amazon warehouse, then intersects with another road with more 
undeveloped areas beyond.


At another path from this intersection, is mostly a path of mostly sheep 
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