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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: How do computations actually work? Date: Sat, 24 May 2025 10:13:00 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 42 Message-ID: <100snls$p071$4@dont-email.me> References: <Ms4XP.801347$BFJ.668081@fx13.ams4> <100jo18$2mhfd$1@dont-email.me> <100jpv9$2m0ln$4@dont-email.me> <100kt0c$2tae8$3@dont-email.me> <100ktr7$2reaa$1@dont-email.me> <100l09v$2tae8$5@dont-email.me> <100l1ov$2ul3j$1@dont-email.me> <100l3jh$2v0e9$1@dont-email.me> <100l5c8$2ul3j$2@dont-email.me> <100l75g$2vpq3$1@dont-email.me> <100l887$2ul3i$2@dont-email.me> <100l9gh$30aak$1@dont-email.me> <100lc4o$30pgm$1@dont-email.me> <100ld1u$312c9$1@dont-email.me> <100lg4g$31jt3$1@dont-email.me> <100lkdv$32ib3$1@dont-email.me> <100lmif$32v06$1@dont-email.me> <100lmp3$32ven$1@dont-email.me> <100m319$38k55$2@dont-email.me> <87jz69xlpx.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <100mder$39slu$2@dont-email.me> <100oipb$3oge1$1@dont-email.me> <100onkd$3t5cb$1@dont-email.me> <aba700ae0681263a7a5e6ae010c2b3809fcbd040.camel@gmail.com> <100oq63$3tal2$1@dont-email.me> <100p792$3vnfa$1@dont-email.me> <100q6lb$5buc$3@dont-email.me> <100rt3j$jcn6$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 24 May 2025 17:13:01 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f513fb0f9fd54277dcf2467a994ccda0"; logging-data="819425"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX184Q3vSf5SFBkQxSboKDtwB" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:UmqVjv7OmruXvm2qjCx1/Kx1sHg= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250524-2, 5/24/2025), Outbound message In-Reply-To: <100rt3j$jcn6$1@dont-email.me> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3384 On 5/24/2025 2:39 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2025-05-23 16:10:19 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 5/23/2025 2:14 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2025-05-23 03:31:15 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> On 5/22/2025 10:23 PM, wij wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 2025-05-22 at 21:47 -0500, olcott wrote: >>>>>> [cut] >>>>> >>>>> Q: How do computations actually work? >>>>> A: Computation is merely step-by-step algorithm. >>>>> Nothing says it has to be TM. >>>>> >>>>> Do the exercises in textbooks first before any claim of it. >>>>> >>>> >>>> int main() >>>> { >>>> DD(); // by what steps can the HHH that DD calls >>>> } // report on the behavior its caller? >>> >>> If we don't insist that the report be correct: >>> 1. guess >>> 2. tell what was guessed >> >> This does not work because all computable functions >> that implement termination analyzers must compute >> the mapping from their input finite string according >> to the behavior that it specifies. > > Wrong. There is no need to compute "the" mapping if a the report > needs not be correct. Some other mapping is enough to produce > some report. > int sum(int x, int y) { return 5; } Does not compute any function because it ignores its inputs. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer