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From: BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
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Subject: Re: John Roberts won't save Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia
Date: Sun, 25 May 2025 20:42:39 -0000 (UTC)
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On May 25, 2025 at 12:15:05 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com>
wrote:

> BTR1701  <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>> On May 25, 2025 at 12:26:09 AM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>  On Sat, 24 May 2025 23:37:51 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>>>  wrote:
>>>  
>>>>  On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 04:17:01 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>>  You do realize the guys they're going after have already had their hearings
>>>>>  and just ignored their deportation orders, right? Do we need to give them
>>>>>  another hearing about the hearing? And then maybe a third hearing to examine
>>>>>  the first and second hearings?
>>>>  
>>>>  If the guy already has had the hearing they're entitled to, what's
>>>>  left other than execution of the deportation order?
>>>>  
>>>>  Perhaps he might be hauled into court to verify that the deportation
>>>>  order is valid but at that point he gets cuffs and a one way trip to
>>>>  either the airport or to the border right?
>>>>  
>>>>  You simply don't have the right to unlimited stays of warrants. I'm
>>>>  all for due process but you don't have the right to come up with a new
>>>>  excuse ad infinitum.
>>>  
>>>  Putting him into a maximum prison for life isn't exactly the same as
>>>  deporting someone.
> 
>> He was deported to his home country. His home country had issues with his
>> gang
>> affiliation and imposed punishment for it under their laws.
> 
> Let's not pretend the government prosecuted him with evidence they could
> present in court. He was received in El Salvador then transported to
> prison. There was no trial.

He's an El Salvadoran citizen. He came to the U.S. illegally. It's absurd to
say we can't deport him back to his own country because they don't have the
equivalent of the Bill of Rights there. Most countries in the world don't have
the same robust protection of freedoms that we have, so using that standard,
we couldn't deport anyone anywhere ever.

> The gang participation in New York, not El Salvador, he was alleged to
> have committed came from a government informant who made shit up. He
> wasn't in New York. Trump administration officials repeated what the
> informant said but he was never indicted nor prosecuted because the
> Trump administration had no case to make.
> 
> Trump didn't even pretend to have evidence of crimes he may have
> committed in El Salvador.
> 
> They've swept up massive numbers of their own citizens as criminals with
> no police investigations and having gathered no evidence. Using the
> crisis of out-of-control gang crimes, the government itself violated due
> process and made arrests without probable cause.
> 
> Sure they've got laws but they aren't laws we'd recognize here.

Which could be said of every country in the world. Britain has laws regarding
free speech but they aren't laws we'd recognize here. They have laws regarding
self-incrimination but they don't provide the same protections we recognize
here. Etc., etc....