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From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
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Subject: Re: John Roberts won't save Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia
Date: Sun, 25 May 2025 22:29:19 -0000 (UTC)
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BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>May 25, 2025 at 12:15:05 PM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>May 25, 2025 at 12:26:09 AM PDT, shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com>:
>>>>Sat, 24 May 2025 23:37:51 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>:
>>>>>Tue, 8 Apr 2025 04:17:01 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>:

>>>>>>You do realize the guys they're going after have already had their
>>>>>>hearings and just ignored their deportation orders, right? Do we
>>>>>>need to give them another hearing about the hearing? And then maybe
>>>>>>a third hearing to examine the first and second hearings?

>>>>>If the guy already has had the hearing they're entitled to, what's
>>>>>left other than execution of the deportation order?

>>>>>Perhaps he might be hauled into court to verify that the deportation
>>>>>order is valid but at that point he gets cuffs and a one way trip to
>>>>>either the airport or to the border right?

>>>>>You simply don't have the right to unlimited stays of warrants. I'm
>>>>>all for due process but you don't have the right to come up with a new
>>>>>excuse ad infinitum.

>>>>Putting him into a maximum prison for life isn't exactly the same as
>>>>deporting someone.

>>>He was deported to his home country. His home country had issues with
>>>his gang affiliation and imposed punishment for it under their laws.

>>Let's not pretend the government prosecuted him with evidence they could
>>present in court. He was received in El Salvador then transported to
>>prison. There was no trial.

>He's an El Salvadoran citizen. He came to the U.S. illegally. It's absurd
>to say we can't deport him back to his own country because they don't
>have the equivalent of the Bill of Rights there. Most countries in the
>world don't have the same robust protection of freedoms that we have,
>so using that standard, we couldn't deport anyone anywhere ever.

We can't deport him because an administrative law judge said so. There
cannot be a final order of deportation. This is a fact not in dispute;
even the Trump lawyer acknowledged this in court.

Typically, we don't honor extradition to countries who indict their
citizens for crimes that would not be crimes in the United States.

>>The gang participation in New York, not El Salvador, he was alleged to
>>have committed came from a government informant who made shit up. He
>>wasn't in New York. Trump administration officials repeated what the
>>informant said but he was never indicted nor prosecuted because the
>>Trump administration had no case to make.

>>Trump didn't even pretend to have evidence of crimes he may have
>>committed in El Salvador.

>>They've swept up massive numbers of their own citizens as criminals with
>>no police investigations and having gathered no evidence. Using the
>>crisis of out-of-control gang crimes, the government itself violated due
>>process and made arrests without probable cause.

>>Sure they've got laws but they aren't laws we'd recognize here.

>Which could be said of every country in the world. Britain has laws regarding
>free speech but they aren't laws we'd recognize here. They have laws regarding
>self-incrimination but they don't provide the same protections we recognize
>here. Etc., etc....

If the UK requested extradition under such circumstances, it's illegal
for us to honor it. Yes, I understand that deportation and extradition
are not the same thing, but we actually care about such things.

Your claim that he's in prison because El Salvador can prove he
committed a felony is not true.