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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.quux.org!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!panix!.POSTED.2602:f977:0:1::2!not-for-mail From: Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn@panix.com> Newsgroups: sci.bio.paleontology Subject: Re: early dog Date: Mon, 26 May 2025 00:15:50 -0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Message-ID: <1010brm$33j$1@reader1.panix.com> References: <7ce2d04b-1303-4a76-8472-0cf3c3e25ffd@gmail.com> <vn7mvg$ogih$2@dont-email.me> <295db936-3b63-4c60-90f6-4f7981bb93cb@gmail.com> Injection-Date: Mon, 26 May 2025 00:15:50 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: reader1.panix.com; posting-host="2602:f977:0:1::2"; logging-data="3187"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@panix.com" User-Agent: tin/2.6.4-20241224 ("Helmsdale") (NetBSD/10.1 (amd64)) erik simpson <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote: > On 1/27/25 2:25 AM, x wrote: >> On 12/17/24 11:06, erik simpson wrote: >>> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-54425-5 >>> >>> The earliest dog relative found so for; a gorgonopsian ~270 Mya. >> >> Isn't the word 'relative' unclear? >> >> Kind of like 'kind', 'species', or 'hybrid'? >> >> I am thinking that wolves, coyotes, and jackals can >> all cross and produce viable offspring, but foxes >> can not? >> >> Then there is some of the South American canids >> that are closer than foxes but more distant than >> say wolves from coyotes and jackals? >> >> What kind of kind is 'kind'? >> > In this context, I was talking about a pretty silly time-travel TV > serial of some time back. I mentioned it once in a episode that > featured a gorgonopsian coming to the present through some sort of time > portal. Some on else mentioned that one of the characters in the > serialhad a pet therapsid. Therapsidae is a clade of paleozoic > "mammals", containing among other things gorgonopsians which were the > apex predators of the time. "Mammals" isn't a good fit for any of these > animals, as they were remove from true mammals by hundreds of millions > of years. Synapsid is a better term. I don't recall which of the many > therapsids was the pet. For that matter we and all living mammals are > also therapsids. The Dark Lord of Acropolys? Jack Kirby was ahead of the curve