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From: Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn@panix.com>
Newsgroups: sci.bio.paleontology
Subject: Re: early dog
Date: Mon, 26 May 2025 00:15:50 -0000 (UTC)
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erik simpson <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/27/25 2:25 AM, x wrote:
>> On 12/17/24 11:06, erik simpson wrote:
>>> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-54425-5
>>>
>>> The earliest dog relative found so for; a gorgonopsian ~270 Mya.
>> 
>> Isn't the word 'relative' unclear?
>> 
>> Kind of like 'kind', 'species', or 'hybrid'?
>> 
>> I am thinking that wolves, coyotes, and jackals can
>> all cross and produce viable offspring, but foxes
>> can not?
>> 
>> Then there is some of the South American canids
>> that are closer than foxes but more distant than
>> say wolves from coyotes and jackals?
>> 
>> What kind of kind is 'kind'?
>> 
> In this context, I was talking about a pretty silly time-travel TV 
> serial of some time back.  I mentioned it once in a episode that 
> featured a gorgonopsian coming to the present through some sort of time 
> portal.  Some on else mentioned that one of the characters in the 
> serialhad a pet therapsid.  Therapsidae is a clade of paleozoic 
> "mammals", containing among other things gorgonopsians which were the 
> apex predators of the time.  "Mammals" isn't a good fit for any of these 
> animals, as they were remove from true mammals by hundreds of millions 
> of years.  Synapsid is a better term.  I don't recall which of the many 
> therapsids was the pet.  For that matter we and all living mammals are 
> also therapsids.


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