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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Bad faith and dishonesty
Date: Mon, 26 May 2025 13:41:45 -0500
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On 5/26/2025 1:31 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
> Op 26.mei.2025 om 18:20 schreef olcott:
>> On 5/26/2025 11:07 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>> Op 26.mei.2025 om 17:16 schreef olcott:
>>>> On 5/26/2025 3:32 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>> Op 25.mei.2025 om 21:39 schreef olcott:
>>>>>> On 5/25/2025 2:27 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>> Op 25.mei.2025 om 20:42 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>> On 5/25/2025 1:07 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Op 25.mei.2025 om 18:39 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/25/2025 10:49 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Op 25.mei.2025 om 16:36 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/25/2025 1:21 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-05-24 01:20:18 +0000, Mr Flibble said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So much bad faith and dishonesty shown in this forum that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myself and Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Olcott have to fight against.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything here seems to be dishonesty and protests against 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dishonesty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you could remove all dishonesty the protests woud stop, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> too, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing would be left.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _DDD()
>>>>>>>>>>>> [00002192] 55             push ebp
>>>>>>>>>>>> [00002193] 8bec           mov ebp,esp
>>>>>>>>>>>> [00002195] 6892210000     push 00002192
>>>>>>>>>>>> [0000219a] e833f4ffff     call 000015d2  // call HHH
>>>>>>>>>>>> [0000219f] 83c404         add esp,+04
>>>>>>>>>>>> [000021a2] 5d             pop ebp
>>>>>>>>>>>> [000021a3] c3             ret
>>>>>>>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [000021a3]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then acknowledge that DDD simulated by HHH according
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the rules of the x86 language cannot possibly reach
>>>>>>>>>>>> its own "ret" instruction final halt state.
>>>>>>>>>>> Why repeating this bug in HHH?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That everyone that understands these things
>>>>>>>>>> sees that there is no bug makes your statement
>>>>>>>>>> the kind of reckless disregard for the truth
>>>>>>>>>> that loses defamation cases.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In other words by objective standards: YOU ARE A LIAR
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ad hominem attacks showing lack of counter arguments.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When you are objectively a liar then calling
>>>>>>>> you a liar is merely stating the facts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again a baseless ad hominem attack, showing lack of counter 
>>>>>>> arguments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I dared you to show my mistake your failure to even
>>>>>> attempt this sufficiently proves that you are a liar.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You only ignore it when your failures are shown and start again 
>>>>> repeating the baseless claims.
>>>>
>>>>> Every competent programmer will understand that when the input 
>>>>> specifies a halting program, including the code to abort and 
>>>>> return, but HHH fails to see that part of the specification, then 
>>>>> HHH has a bug.
>>>>> I know you will ignore it again and reply with only ad hominem 
>>>>> attacks.
>>>>
>>>> _DDD()
>>>> [00002192] 55             push ebp
>>>> [00002193] 8bec           mov ebp,esp
>>>> [00002195] 6892210000     push 00002192
>>>> [0000219a] e833f4ffff     call 000015d2  // call HHH
>>>> [0000219f] 83c404         add esp,+04
>>>> [000021a2] 5d             pop ebp
>>>> [000021a3] c3             ret
>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [000021a3]
>>>>
>>>> How many recursive emulations does HHH have to
>>>> wait before its emulated DDD magically halts
>>>> on its own without ever needing to be aborted?
>>>>
>>>
>>> HHH needs only one recursion more that the number of recursions in 
>>> the input.
>>> So, if your HHH has only one recursion, two recursions are needed, 
>>> except when you change the input, but that is not allowed.
>>
>> So you said that the first four instructions of DDD
>> are emulated twice and we are at machine address 0000219a.
>> So a correct emulator could interpret "call 000015d2"
>> to mean "jmp 000021a3" ???
>>
> Apparently this is over your head. That is not what I said. You are 
> mixing recursion levels.
> The simulated HHH in its first recursion (which is the second recursion 
> of the simulating HHH) aborts at 0000219a (because we do not change the 
> input, so the simulated HHH aborts after one cycle). It is programmed to 
> not execute the call but abort and return. That will make that the call 
> at 0000219a simulated by the simulating HHH returns and the simulating 
> HHH will process the next instruction at 0000219f and the following 
> instructions, up to the 'ret' instruction at 000021a3.
> A return from a call is very normal in the x86 language and if you think 
> that it means that the call is replaced with a jmp instruction, you show 
> your ignorance of the x86 language.

_DDD()
[00002192] 55             push ebp
[00002193] 8bec           mov ebp,esp
[00002195] 6892210000     push 00002192
[0000219a] e833f4ffff     call 000015d2  // call HHH
[0000219f] 83c404         add esp,+04
[000021a2] 5d             pop ebp
[000021a3] c3             ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [000021a3]

unless some HHH aborts its emulation of its DDD
DDD() and HHH() never halt.


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