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From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: [OT] Did you know that blacks built Stonehenge?
Date: Mon, 26 May 2025 15:22:08 -0400
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On 5/26/2025 3:11 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>> May 26, 2025 at 8:40:58 AM PDT, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> 5/25/2025 9:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> May 25, 2025 at 3:29:32 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>> 5/25/2025 5:44 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>>> 2025-05-25 5:32 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>> 5/25/2025 4:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>> May 25, 2025 at 12:56:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>:
> 
>>>>>>>>> As usual, the flaw in the ointment is that there's no absolute
>>>>>>>>> arbiter of Truth.
> 
>>>>>>>> There is with regard to the claim 'black people built Stonehenge',
>>>>>>>> FFS.
> 
>>>>>>> If 'history books' were acknowledged to comprise merely a
>>>>>>> *predominant* view of past events, then they could rationally reject
>>>>>>> any absurdities. But real-world claims of 'unassailable truth' are
>>>>>>> never sustainable. E.g,, I'm guessing the blackHenge crowd have
>>>>>>> documents, too...
> 
>>>>>> Do you know when Stonehenge was built? Do you have any idea how many
>>>>>> people in that time and place were literate enough to create documents?
>>>>>> Did they even have a written language that long ago? And that's assuming
>>>>>> they had paper and ink to make records in the first place. Or are you of
>>>>>> the mind that they chiseled these records into clay tablets? If so, do
>>>>>> you have any reason to believe they knew how to do that?
> 
>>>>>> Are you COMPLETELY clueless? Don't you understand that this claim of
>>>>>> black builders of Stonehenge is just a game of cultural appropriation by
>>>>>> "activists"? They want to feel like blacks were significant going back
>>>>>> to the earliest days of the country so they're simply claiming to have
>>>>>> been a major part of things all the way along.
> 
>>>>> I'm not disputing longstanding accounts of Stonehenge ...especially
>>>>> since the recent challenges do have a rather blatant p.c. aspect.  I'm
>>>>> suggesting we should question our blithe acceptance of "history".  Did
>>>>> you know that Texas classrooms are to display the Ten Commandments,
>>>>> justified because they're an historical part of our democracy?
> 
>>>> On the other hand, if you're one of the 'progressive' Marxists who run
>>>> California schools, you're allowed to force the kids to participate in any
>>>> religious ceremony or prayer you like, just so long as it's not Christian.
> 
>>>> Several years ago, the San Francisco schools were caught bringing imams into
>>>> the classroom and having the kids recite the Muslim prayer of conversion to
>>>> Islam. Yet the two words "under god" in the pledge of allegiance are
>>>> supposedly unconstitutional because "we all know they refer to the Christian
>>>> god".
> 
>>>> Of course, if they'd brought in a Catholic priest to say the Liturgy,
>>>> forcing the children to participate no less, the ACLU would have shit
>>>> itself and wouldn't have been able to file lawsuits fast enough.
> 
>>> This is "whataboutism" being preached to the choir...
> 
>> "Whataboutism" is a concept invented to prevent people from holding the
>> inventors accountable for their hypocrisy.
> 
> I looked it up at Wikipedia. Lexicograph Ben Zimmer finds this to be the
> original use:
> 
> 	I would not suggest such a thing were it not for the
> 	Whatabouts. These are the people who answer every condemnation
> 	of the Provisional I.R.A. with an argument to prove the greater
> 	immorality of the "enemy", and therefore the justice of the
> 	Provisionals' cause: "What about Bloody Sunday, internment,
> 	torture, force-feeding, army intimidation?". Every call to stop
> 	is answered in the same way: "What about the Treaty of Limerick;
> 	the Anglo-Irish treaty of 1921; Lenadoon?". Neither is the Church
> 	immune: "The Catholic Church has never supported the national
> 	cause.  What about Papal sanction for the Norman invasion;
> 	condemnation of the Fenians by Moriarty; Parnell?"
> 
>          -- Sean O'Conaill, "Letter to Editor", The Irish Times, 30 Jan 1974
> 
> But I'm sure he was Black Irish.

Then he probably built Blarney-Stonehenge...