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From: Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: The long-awaited EU battery-lifetime standards kick in
 on June 20, 2025
Date: Tue, 27 May 2025 18:44:52 -0000 (UTC)
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Hank <hankrobins@notspam.uk> wrote:
> Carlos E. R. wrote to us on Tue, 27 May 2025 12:57:28 +0200:
> 
>> On 2025-05-26 22:59, Hank wrote:
>>> On 5/26/2025 10:55 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> But when examining how long a battery's life will be, you need to 
>>>> examine both the battery's capacity...
>>> 
>>> All iphones failed the eu's minimum battery life test when first proposed.
>>> Take it up with the eu if you want them to change the test just for apple.
>> 
>> Source? Post a credible link, and not a link to an Arlen post in Usenet. 
>> An article by the BBC, Le Monde, would be perfect.
>> 
>> If you post a link to an Usenet post by Arlen, then you are another 
>> Arlen alias, and thus ignored.
> 
> Given Apple published their response to the EU rules 

When was that and where?

> and knowing those
> rules go into effect on June 20th, you'll find your answer simply by
> waiting 

This is the future. You claimed Apple had failed in the past. Where's your
evidence?

until then and watch every Apple iPhone being forbidden for sale in
> the EU after that date except for two models. 
> 
> Two models. 
> And only two models.

You make it sound like it's a huge attrition. Apple only sells four models
in total and three of which there are less than a year old. I'd be very
surprised. 

> Since you can't find the answer now, try to buy an iPhone 14 in the EU
> after that date and you'll find your answer out.

You can't buy one anywhere in the world from Apple! That model was
discontinued in February 2025. It was also removed from sale in December
2024 in the EU because it didn't have a USB-C port. 

> Even the iPhone 15 only met the rules because Apple changed the algorithm.
> https://www.fudzilla.com/news/mobile/58502-apple-fiddles-with-its-battery-lifespan-adverts-to-dodge-eu-rules

Ignoring your choice of "source" for the time being, there can be perfectly
valid reasons for the update. 

For example, there could have been a draft spec which stated the limit was
500 cycles and so Apple declares that they meet it. Even if they know their
phones can last much longer (i.e. >1000). Then, the spec is finalised at
1000 so Apple update their declaration to state that they *also* meet that
spec.

Another, could be purely commercial. At 500 cycles they know they'll have a
0.01% failure rate which will likely cost them $X million in warrantee
returns. At 1000 cycles it may be a 0.03% failure rate which will cost them
$Y million. They simply accept the $Y or $X as a cost to the business. 

Finally, it's also possible the testing criteria by the EU were less
stringent than Apple's when finalised and so the numbers were updated
accordingly. 

> I'm surprised the EU allowed Apple that subterfuge, but if Apple didn't
> change the algorithm, it would have only been one model allowed for sale.

Note: the above article is from Feb 2024. 3/4 currently available iphones
were released since then. In full knowledge of the requirements coming in
next month. 

> No need to respond now.
> Wait and see what Apple can no longer sell after June 20th, 2025.

I predict no change. 

> This is good for the consumer. Bad for Apple. 
> People can now keep their phones longer before the batteries die.

Apple phones are already supported for longer and have been for years than
other manufacturers. So Apple customers will likely experience very little
change. 

That isn't to say that these regulations - for batteries for a wide range
of consumer items - are not welcome. It'll get rid of all cheap tat
flooding the market and ending up in landfill within a year or two. 

Much to yours and Arlen's dismay, Apple isn't the bad guy that the EU is
targeting.