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From: jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll)
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Subject: Re: (ReacTor) Five Futures Where the US Ended Not With a Bang But a Whimper
Date: Wed, 28 May 2025 16:50:56 -0000 (UTC)
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In article <qpae3kpe2msl12bltuq629qfikm6um827j@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person  <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
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>
>It has not escaped my notice, BTW, that some non-Republican States
>have groups in them that have been thinking along the lines of
>secession (and joining Canada, if Canada is dumb enough to have them
>-- accepting them would be likely to produce war with the remaining
>USA, after all)

There's another, more important issue. Let's say we annex California,
and lets say we grant Californians immediate citizenship. California
has as many people living in it as all of Canada so it would displace
central Canada as the most important source of voters. And what sort
of voters would we be getting? 9,276,179 Democrats, and 6,081,697 Nazis. 

For comparison, the Liberals got 8,595,488 votes, the Tories 8,113,484
votes, the Bloc 1,236,349 votes, the NPD 1,234,673 votes, and the 
Greens 238,892. Oh, and the far-right People's Party got 141,210 votes.

People seem to assume those Democrats will vote Liberal but if you 
waterboard Dem voters for a few weeks, it becomes clear a lot of them
would fit in better with the Tories. As for the Nazis, people might 
expect they'd vote for Poilievre or whoever replaces him but not 
every Tory is a baby-eating lunatic. The People's Party is a much
better fit. So, if the minority Liberal government took in California,
the effect could be to hand the Tories a majority, with the People's
Party as opposition.

Now, there are two reasonable solutions. The first is that we classify
all of the people in the new province of Trudeau as landed immigrants,
and have them go through the usual naturalization process over five or
ten years. Or, we could accept the state but not the people in it. They
could move to Nevada or Utah or whatever, and apply to emigrate to 
Canada. I ran the numbers and we could process all the acceptable 
ones in less than five hundred years. 

(Obs we'd have to bring back the residential schools for the xAmerican 
kids)

That's not even getting into how Quebec would react as French gets
bumped down from second language to third, after Spanish. 
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