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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Is California Planning to Steal the Malibu Coastline from Residents? Date: Wed, 28 May 2025 19:56:17 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 31 Message-ID: <1017pp0$3d794$4@dont-email.me> References: <1017nru$3d9fg$1@dont-email.me> Injection-Date: Wed, 28 May 2025 21:56:17 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="decf0fc8422a6223fa5ffe714b4ab48d"; logging-data="3579172"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX187R5bcNkidkUmVi8sb8gGgEPYZCjQAH1M=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:yxM4sfbgR5qlrTjBs+QCTkzLgJI= X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test77 (Sep 1, 2010) BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote: >For the last six months, the rebuilding from the fires in the Palisades has >proceeded-- unreasonably slowly, to be sure, but proceeded nevertheless. The >same is true in Altadena, the site of the second great fire last January. But >the residents of Malibu have been frozen in time by the state. Nothing is >happening. No debris clean-up, no environmental studies, permit applications >are held in limbo, etc. And now the residents are hearing rumors of the reason >for this: the state of California doesn't like people living on the beach. >State bureaucrats have always taken a dim view of homes built right on the >shoreline but haven't been able to do anything about it because those homes >were built in an era when people were mostly free to do as they liked and the >massive regulatory state didn't exist. . . . I don't think you characterized this correctly. It's my understanding that there never were exclusive riparian rights and that the public always had access to the beaches but the state never enforced it to appeased wealthy people who illegally grabbed the beaches for themselves. The public was excluded but it was illegal to do so, but that's not like the Great Lakes in which the law is completely muddled, that the public can be legally excluded, and when lots were sold off in Chicago, lots on partly or entirely submerged lands were sold off because no one bothered to map the shoreline first. In my opinion, homes might be built a reasonable distance back from the shoreline but beach access must never be exclusive. Of course, you are going to tell me that the distance will be unreasonable, and I'm sure you're correct.