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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Bad faith and dishonesty
Date: Thu, 29 May 2025 14:43:24 -0500
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On 5/29/2025 2:35 PM, dbush wrote:
> On 5/29/2025 3:24 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 5/29/2025 2:08 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>> On 29/05/2025 20:02, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 5/29/2025 1:40 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>>> On 29/05/2025 19:14, olcott wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>>>> It is a tautology that any input D to termination
>>>>>> analyzer H that *would never stop running unless aborted*
>>>>>> DOES SPECIFY NON-TERMINATING BEHAVIOR.
>>>>>
>>>>> But in making that claim you assume that you correctly know the 
>>>>> termination behaviour of D.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All that H needs to know is that D
>>>> *would never stop running unless aborted*
>>>
>>> But it *doesn't* know that.
>>>
>>> You forgot to address my substantive point.
>>>
>>
>> Not at all. I have been doing this for a very long time.
>> Even when we go exactly one point at a time it takes people
>> here several years to begin to address that one point.
>>
>> It is a tautology that any input D 
> 
> i.e. a description of algorithm D
> 

int sum(int x, int y) { return x + y; }

*Description*
The above function does some arithmetic stuff

*Specification*
_sum()
[000021b3] 55             push ebp
[000021b4] 8bec           mov ebp,esp
[000021b6] 8b4508         mov eax,[ebp+08]
[000021b9] 03450c         add eax,[ebp+0c]
[000021bc] 5d             pop ebp
[000021bd] c3             ret
Size in bytes:(0011) [000021bd]

>> to simulating termination
>> analyzer H that *would never stop running unless aborted*
> 
> i.e. if algorithm D does not halt, or equivalently if UTM(D) does not halt.
> 
>> DOES SPECIFY NON-TERMINATING BEHAVIOR.
>>
>> If you now agree that the above *is* a tautology then
>> we can move on to the next point.
>>
>>>>> I can easily sketch out a program that your HHH analyser would 
>>>>> impatiently abort as non-terminating, but which could conceivably 
>>>>> stop running this year, next year, sometime... or never.
>>>
>>
>>
> 


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