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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: HHS cancels Moderna H5 influenza vaccine Date: Thu, 29 May 2025 18:36:55 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 26 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <101ar2n$409r$1@dont-email.me> Reply-To: rokimoto557@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="3588"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:9wgb3raVyXxhFG4rEH1W8+PnQWw= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id B3D9522978C; Thu, 29 May 2025 19:37:05 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4579A229783 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Thu, 29 May 2025 19:37:03 -0400 (EDT) by pi-dach.dorfdsl.de (8.18.1/8.18.1/Debian-6~bpo12+1) with ESMTPS id 54TNb0t21109121 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Fri, 30 May 2025 01:37:01 +0200 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFE50609FE for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Thu, 29 May 2025 23:36:57 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/DFE50609FE; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 7F054DC01CA; Fri, 30 May 2025 01:36:57 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 01:36:57 +0200 (CEST) Content-Language: en-US X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18UzXGnkd+F48hSqsHOAtsLEO3TpJsYjR8= DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_REPLYTO, FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED,URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS,USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/hhs-cancels-funding-moderna-s-candidate-h5-avian-flu-and-pandemic-vaccines This seems stupid since mRNA vaccines would be the fastest way to respond to H5N1 if it ever does make the jump to human infection. They would need an H5 vaccine that would produce antibodies that could neutralize the virus. They already know that the virus has changed a lot in the dairy herd, and they had to make a synthetic antigen with the H5 genotype B3.13 sequence found in the Missouri patient in order to look for neutralizing antibodies. They did initial testing on the Texas B3.13 dairy virus and it was neutralized by antibodies produced by H5 vaccine strains that the CDC had, but that obviously changed by the time the Missouri patient was infected. In the case of the D1.1 genotype that infected humans they didn't even try to test existing H5 vaccine strains against it. The D1.1 H5 sequence is very different from the B3.13 sequence. This just means that they need to make a vaccine to the virus that might make the jump to humans. Apparently Moderna had a working vaccine, and had gotten more funding to work it up, but that has been canceled. For mRNA vaccines you can make the antigen any sequence that you want it to be. It is the basis for making updated mRNA vaccines for Covid, and would be expected to work for influenza. The H5 vaccine that the CDC stockpiled is likely worthless against many of the variants currently infecting cattle and dairy and poultry workers. Ron Okimoto