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From: Ernest Major <{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: Did Dawkins really claim that god-did-it is a scientific
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Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 11:12:17 +0100
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On 30/05/2025 00:54, RonO wrote:
> https://evolutionnews.org/2025/05/dawkins-intelligent-design-is-a- 
> scientific-hypothesis/
> 
> The ID perps are claiming that Dawkins claimed that intelligent design 
> is a scientific hypothesis.
> 
> QUOTE:
> In 2024 in New York, Dawkins participated in a moving public dialogue 
> with former New Atheist Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who is also a former Muslim. 
> She had not long before announced her conversion to Christianity from 
> atheism for what she describes as “very subjective” reasons. It was in 
> response to a “personal crisis”: “I lived for about a decade with 
> intense depression and anxiety and self-loathing. I hit rock bottom. I 
> went to a place where I actually didn’t want to live anymore but wasn’t 
> brave enough to take my own life.” Faith rather than suicide was her way 
> out of the crisis.
> 
> Dawkins answered kindly that belief in a designer is more than a mere 
> subjective response: “You appear to be a theist,” he told her. “You 
> appear to believe in some kind of higher power. Now, I think that the 
> hypothesis of theism is the most exciting scientific hypothesis you 
> could possibly hold.” Hold that thought in your mind.
> END QUOTE:
> 
> Did this really happen?
> 
> Ron Okimoto
> 

It looks like another bait and switch. Take Dawkins' acceptance of God 
as a potential scientific hypothesis, and drag in the anti-evolutionary 
baggage of the Intelligent Design movement. (Fallacy of equivocation.)

-- 
alias Ernest Major