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From: Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: New York's Crackdown on Ebikes
Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 10:43:01 -0400
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On 5/30/2025 10:29 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 5/30/2025 8:37 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 May 2025 15:16:21 +0200, Rolf Mantel
>> <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Am 30.05.2025 um 14:36 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
>>>> On Fri, 30 May 2025 08:25:26 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/26/2025 10:59 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/26/2025 8:38 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/26/2025 4:16 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 May 2025 21:36:00 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> New York Times article on police cracking down on ebike traffic
>>>>>>>>> violations. Let's see if this will get people past the paywall:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/24/nyregion/ebikes-scooters-
>>>>>>>>> cyclists- nyc.html?
>>>>>>>>> unlocked_article_code=1.KE8.voH2.AOcHv0jrnp79&smid=url-share
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> “This is a direct attack on immigrant workers,” Ms. Guallpa 
>>>>>>>> said. “The
>>>>>>>> intent is to criminalize workers and to create a situation where 
>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>> communities could be targets for deportation.”
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Typical NYT woke nonsense...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1 with the typical misdirection and conflation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Legal Resident Aliens (taxpaying, working people who cannot vote) 
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> ignored, along with US citizens. Criminal illegal aliens who, by
>>>>>>> Statute, cannot work and who are subject to summary deportation 
>>>>>>> by the
>>>>>>> same Statutes, are where her sympathies lie.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Damn. The right wing of this newsgroup is always on hair trigger!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The article contains over 2000 words. Of those, only about three
>>>>>> paragraphs mention immigrant delivery workers. The rest deals with 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> disparity between ebike and car enforcement policies, noting that 
>>>>>> cars
>>>>>> kill far, far more pedestrians. It doesn't even mention that NYC 
>>>>>> life is
>>>>>> totally dominated by the negative effects of car traffic. Yet 
>>>>>> people are
>>>>>> enraged about the comparatively minuscule effects of ebikes, and 
>>>>>> ebike
>>>>>> riders are in some ways being treated more harshly than car drivers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Look, I think ebike riders should ride legally. I think U.S. 
>>>>>> ebikes are
>>>>>> too fast, and/or should be legally treated more like motorcycles -
>>>>>> meaning integrated into traffic and kept off bike paths.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you guys ignore all that, blinded by the brief mention of
>>>>>> immigrants. You never fail to respond to right wing dog whistles, 
>>>>>> even
>>>>>> if  you have to blow the whistle yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Braindead magatards like the floriduh dumbass will consistently 
>>>>> look for
>>>>> a political scapegoat for any issue they have based their ignorant
>>>>> opinions on, as is shown by his parroting of magatard groupthink 
>>>>> nonsense.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrew isn't as bad as most but even he more recently is allowing
>>>>> himself to get sucked into the magatard groupthink propaganda - 
>>>>> there is
>>>>> no evidence in that article to support "Criminal illegal aliens....are
>>>>> where her sympathies lie."
>>>>
>>>> Since deportation only applies to people in the USA illegally, her
>>>> statement absolutely indicates her sympathies are with the illegals.
>>>
>>> Deportation applies to people "presumed illegal" by the administration,
>>> not only to people legally determined illegal.
>>
>> Nonsense. Whether a person is here illegally or not is very easy to
>> detirmine and to prove.
>>
>>> Sadly the current admisitration has declared people illegal and
>>> attempted to deport without due process.
>>
>> Ilegalas are not entitled to due process.
>>
>>> Many people have sympathies with following "due process" irrespective of
>>> whether they have sympathies with people accused of committing 
>>> misdemeanors.
>>
>> -- 
>> C'est bon
>> Soloman
> 
> +1
> 

bullshit - it's demonstrably false.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2025/05/11/yes-immigrants-in-the-u-s-illegally-still-have-due-process-rights/83481316007/

"Despite Trump’s dismissal of and questions about due process for 
immigrants, the U.S. Constitution, legal experts and decades of court 
decisions agree: Immigrants in the U.S., regardless of how they entered 
the U.S., legally or illegally, have due process rights."

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