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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: New York's Crackdown on Ebikes Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 10:43:01 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 117 Message-ID: <101cg5l$fh58$3@dont-email.me> References: <1010gi0$1lt0p$1@dont-email.me> <q3c83khsrvlqm9nlp41a4ant6t4vup51o2@4ax.com> <1011nc5$20dd1$1@dont-email.me> <1011vla$220ba$1@dont-email.me> <101c83n$fh58$1@dont-email.me> <q99j3kl3bpds7tjfaof5kgcuuftfrr0ui7@4ax.com> <101cb36$cvdr$4@dont-email.me> <uvcj3k5qko4jkj3tgj7nveuqskc6iulp53@4ax.com> <101cfcs$h360$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 16:43:02 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="b63309162f764742a2e6005d4271a0f8"; logging-data="509096"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+89rh55uSrk5qB2SS9GQBRYDHUjk3hFCc=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:mVscnL7eEhwQfc4pYSznKMqujS8= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <101cfcs$h360$3@dont-email.me> Bytes: 5943 On 5/30/2025 10:29 AM, AMuzi wrote: > On 5/30/2025 8:37 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote: >> On Fri, 30 May 2025 15:16:21 +0200, Rolf Mantel >> <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote: >> >>> Am 30.05.2025 um 14:36 schrieb Catrike Ryder: >>>> On Fri, 30 May 2025 08:25:26 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 5/26/2025 10:59 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>> On 5/26/2025 8:38 AM, AMuzi wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/26/2025 4:16 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 May 2025 21:36:00 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> New York Times article on police cracking down on ebike traffic >>>>>>>>> violations. Let's see if this will get people past the paywall: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/24/nyregion/ebikes-scooters- >>>>>>>>> cyclists- nyc.html? >>>>>>>>> unlocked_article_code=1.KE8.voH2.AOcHv0jrnp79&smid=url-share >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> “This is a direct attack on immigrant workers,” Ms. Guallpa >>>>>>>> said. “The >>>>>>>> intent is to criminalize workers and to create a situation where >>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>> communities could be targets for deportation.” >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Typical NYT woke nonsense... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> C'est bon >>>>>>>> Soloman >>>>>>> >>>>>>> +1 with the typical misdirection and conflation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Legal Resident Aliens (taxpaying, working people who cannot vote) >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> ignored, along with US citizens. Criminal illegal aliens who, by >>>>>>> Statute, cannot work and who are subject to summary deportation >>>>>>> by the >>>>>>> same Statutes, are where her sympathies lie. >>>>>> >>>>>> Damn. The right wing of this newsgroup is always on hair trigger! >>>>>> >>>>>> The article contains over 2000 words. Of those, only about three >>>>>> paragraphs mention immigrant delivery workers. The rest deals with >>>>>> the >>>>>> disparity between ebike and car enforcement policies, noting that >>>>>> cars >>>>>> kill far, far more pedestrians. It doesn't even mention that NYC >>>>>> life is >>>>>> totally dominated by the negative effects of car traffic. Yet >>>>>> people are >>>>>> enraged about the comparatively minuscule effects of ebikes, and >>>>>> ebike >>>>>> riders are in some ways being treated more harshly than car drivers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Look, I think ebike riders should ride legally. I think U.S. >>>>>> ebikes are >>>>>> too fast, and/or should be legally treated more like motorcycles - >>>>>> meaning integrated into traffic and kept off bike paths. >>>>>> >>>>>> But you guys ignore all that, blinded by the brief mention of >>>>>> immigrants. You never fail to respond to right wing dog whistles, >>>>>> even >>>>>> if you have to blow the whistle yourself. >>>>> >>>>> Braindead magatards like the floriduh dumbass will consistently >>>>> look for >>>>> a political scapegoat for any issue they have based their ignorant >>>>> opinions on, as is shown by his parroting of magatard groupthink >>>>> nonsense. >>>>> >>>>> Andrew isn't as bad as most but even he more recently is allowing >>>>> himself to get sucked into the magatard groupthink propaganda - >>>>> there is >>>>> no evidence in that article to support "Criminal illegal aliens....are >>>>> where her sympathies lie." >>>> >>>> Since deportation only applies to people in the USA illegally, her >>>> statement absolutely indicates her sympathies are with the illegals. >>> >>> Deportation applies to people "presumed illegal" by the administration, >>> not only to people legally determined illegal. >> >> Nonsense. Whether a person is here illegally or not is very easy to >> detirmine and to prove. >> >>> Sadly the current admisitration has declared people illegal and >>> attempted to deport without due process. >> >> Ilegalas are not entitled to due process. >> >>> Many people have sympathies with following "due process" irrespective of >>> whether they have sympathies with people accused of committing >>> misdemeanors. >> >> -- >> C'est bon >> Soloman > > +1 > bullshit - it's demonstrably false. https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2025/05/11/yes-immigrants-in-the-u-s-illegally-still-have-due-process-rights/83481316007/ "Despite Trump’s dismissal of and questions about due process for immigrants, the U.S. Constitution, legal experts and decades of court decisions agree: Immigrants in the U.S., regardless of how they entered the U.S., legally or illegally, have due process rights." -- Add xx to reply