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From: William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: 25 Classic Books That Have Been Banned
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
> J. J. Lodder <jjlxa32@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>
>> Yes. Freedom of religion is fine,
>> but freedom from religion is far more important,
> 
> In the end, they are really the same thing.  You don't get freedom to enjoy
> your religion without the freedom from mine.
> 
> Far too many religious people don't understand this.  But of course many
> of the people who founded the country were Puritans who moved to Holland to
> enjoy religious freedom and discovered that they didn't actually want
> religious freedom at all, so long as it meant freedom for others as well.

This is a facet of history that gets lost.

A number of "repressed" denominations were not seeking toleration, but 
domination.  I am not referring to any one group here - it might be the 
policy of one faction of religion X, but not of the rest.

At the end of the English Civil War, for example, the Presbyterians of 
that time assumed that now *they* would be the established church in 
England.  Cromwell convinced them otherwise.

William Hyde