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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Bad faith and dishonesty Date: Sat, 31 May 2025 11:12:55 +0100 Organization: Fix this later Lines: 35 Message-ID: <101ekn7$12895$3@dont-email.me> References: <m99YP.725664$B6tf.610565@fx02.ams4> <100uct4$184ak$1@dont-email.me> <100v9ta$1d5lg$7@dont-email.me> <1011eai$1urdm$1@dont-email.me> <10121bt$22da5$4@dont-email.me> <8bb5266e35845a4d8f2feb618c0c18629c04e4e7@i2pn2.org> <1012oj1$278f8$1@dont-email.me> <1196d9de2e2aebc1b6d1a85047192e8ea1aeb1f1@i2pn2.org> <10137lv$2djeu$1@dont-email.me> <ewIZP.135645$vK4b.131815@fx09.ams4> <1017l6l$3cerk$1@dont-email.me> <1017tr1$3drlu$5@dont-email.me> <1017ufm$3e54m$6@dont-email.me> <1019vm1$3u8nj$3@dont-email.me> <101a65n$3vsp7$1@dont-email.me> <101a86h$3vfam$6@dont-email.me> <101a9np$gl7$1@dont-email.me> <101bt7o$58on$1@dont-email.me> <101cis6$hv12$1@dont-email.me> <101cjjo$hqle$2@dont-email.me> <101cmga$imoa$1@dont-email.me> <101cohp$ikgf$4@dont-email.me> <101cppa$j97s$1@dont-email.me> <101cqs1$j925$1@dont-email.me> <101cst5$ikgf$5@dont-email.me> <101cu21$k77f$1@dont-email.me> <101ej5j$125mj$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 31 May 2025 12:12:55 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="905da0b345d854e05eca9f089cec3db4"; logging-data="1122597"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/F4+oZmKYXtoUgkt2+uSCpCUgl0chdpeXDXMic+2sZfg==" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:vwBFGcVMAiKVibgUtSFrMk2Gn/Y= In-Reply-To: <101ej5j$125mj$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-GB Bytes: 2899 On 31/05/2025 10:46, Mikko wrote: > On 2025-05-30 18:40:01 +0000, olcott said: <snip> >> >> to HHH(DDD) >> does specify a non-halting sequence of configurations. > > No, it is not. Nobody has seen the input to HHH(DDD) running > forever. > So the "non-halting" is not a verified fact. The unfailingly patient Mike Terry will forgive me if I have remembered him incorrectly, but I seem to recall... wait... I can quote him: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just as a reminder I'll repeat the final outcome of all this: - PO's H does decide NEVER_HALTS for TM H^ running with input <H^>. - PO's H^ running with input <H^> in fact halts, in line with Linz logic (b) above. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ....so it halts. End of, one would think. -- Richard Heathfield Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999 Sig line 4 vacant - apply within