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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Food Prices Date: Sat, 31 May 2025 20:49:21 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 48 Message-ID: <101g82j$1hvsg$4@dont-email.me> References: <9MKYP.163084$0DKa.113787@fx14.iad> <ma0ad3Fs19U1@mid.individual.net> <7ndm3k1hlpcg6redqspneugtd9gdq0d2op@4ax.com> <ma12kgF4l8nU1@mid.individual.net> <101fpjn$1dogt$3@dont-email.me> <5kqm3k5u383itrg850lif251ocpf4tq1rs@4ax.com> Reply-To: frkrygow@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2025 02:49:24 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2e59ea7c9943bc7b6f43dfb54f1b3eb5"; logging-data="1638288"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18+eifQlQK9iOaGnPX7SI7UEs3w96aW0CE=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:NFPHsdoO2Ms2DmWC3lsAKrpkyj0= In-Reply-To: <5kqm3k5u383itrg850lif251ocpf4tq1rs@4ax.com> Content-Language: en-US On 5/31/2025 5:07 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: > On Sat, 31 May 2025 20:42:31 -0000 (UTC), Beej Jorgensen > <beej@beej.us> wrote: > >> In article <ma12kgF4l8nU1@mid.individual.net>, >> Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>> Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote: >>>> - What are the first few letters on the bottom row of a QWERTY >>>> keyboard? >>> >>> Despite being trained as touch typists that escaped me! >> >> I think being so-trained or well-practiced makes this a more >> difficult question. I could get you the answer, but I'd have to imagine >> typing every letter of the alphabet and keep track of which were on the >> bottom row. :) > > Actually, it can be easily done and demonstrated. Find a line drawing > of a typical QWERTY keyboard that does NOT have the characters and > functions. > <https://www.google.com/search?q=qwerty%20keyboard%20without%20labels&udm=2> > This should work: > <https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/keyboard-blank.jpg> > Print it on paper as close to actual size as possible. > > Then, go through the alphabet A -> Z while pressing the corresponding > letter on the paper keyboard. Watch which key you hit. Every time > you hit something in the bottom row, scribble it down somewhere. I > just tried it and it works (for me). > > My desk usually has one (or more) keyboards buried under a pile of > paper. I use it every day for many hours. One might expect looking > at the keyboard and using the keyboard would imprint an image of the > keycaps on my caffeine saturated brain. Nope. My blank mind is an > uncluttered mind. FWIW, I missed the keyboard question and the $10 bill questions. The rest were not hard, mostly because of quirks: I've got a repair project pending on my side porch steps; I had to align my reflecting ceiling sundial with due north-south, and learned my house is precisely oriented that way... etc. About the blank keyboard, I dimly remember reading about some sort of experiment where users learned an internet password entirely by touch, so they "knew" it but could generally not say what the letters were. -- - Frank Krygowski