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From: zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: New York's Crackdown on Ebikes
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2025 07:32:47 -0400
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On 5/31/2025 12:15 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 5/31/2025 7:57 AM, zen cycle wrote:
>> On 5/30/2025 5:36 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 5/30/2025 1:43 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>> On 5/30/2025 12:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 5/30/2025 11:07 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 30 May 2025 10:41:51 -0400, Zen Cycle 
>>>>>> <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/30/2025 9:16 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>>>>>>>> Am 30.05.2025 um 14:36 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 30 May 2025 08:25:26 -0400, Zen Cycle 
>>>>>>>>> <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2025 10:59 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2025 8:38 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2025 4:16 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 May 2025 21:36:00 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New York Times article on police cracking down on ebike 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> traffic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> violations. Let's see if this will get people past the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paywall:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/24/nyregion/ ebikes-scooters-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cyclists- nyc.html?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unlocked_article_code=1.KE8.voH2.AOcHv0jrnp79&smid=url-share
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> “This is a direct attack on immigrant workers,” Ms. Guallpa 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> intent is to criminalize workers and to create a situation 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> where our
>>>>>>>>>>>>> communities could be targets for deportation.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Typical NYT woke nonsense...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 with the typical misdirection and conflation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Legal Resident Aliens (taxpaying, working people who cannot 
>>>>>>>>>>>> vote) are
>>>>>>>>>>>> ignored, along with US citizens. Criminal illegal aliens 
>>>>>>>>>>>> who, by
>>>>>>>>>>>> Statute, cannot work and who are subject to summary 
>>>>>>>>>>>> deportation by the
>>>>>>>>>>>> same Statutes, are where her sympathies lie.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Damn. The right wing of this newsgroup is always on hair 
>>>>>>>>>>> trigger!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The article contains over 2000 words. Of those, only about three
>>>>>>>>>>> paragraphs mention immigrant delivery workers. The rest deals 
>>>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>>>> disparity between ebike and car enforcement policies, noting 
>>>>>>>>>>> that cars
>>>>>>>>>>> kill far, far more pedestrians. It doesn't even mention that NYC
>>>>>>>>>>> life is
>>>>>>>>>>> totally dominated by the negative effects of car traffic. Yet 
>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> enraged about the comparatively minuscule effects of ebikes, 
>>>>>>>>>>> and ebike
>>>>>>>>>>> riders are in some ways being treated more harshly than car 
>>>>>>>>>>> drivers.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Look, I think ebike riders should ride legally. I think U.S. 
>>>>>>>>>>> ebikes are
>>>>>>>>>>> too fast, and/or should be legally treated more like 
>>>>>>>>>>> motorcycles -
>>>>>>>>>>> meaning integrated into traffic and kept off bike paths.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But you guys ignore all that, blinded by the brief mention of
>>>>>>>>>>> immigrants. You never fail to respond to right wing dog 
>>>>>>>>>>> whistles, even
>>>>>>>>>>> if  you have to blow the whistle yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Braindead magatards like the floriduh dumbass will 
>>>>>>>>>> consistently look for
>>>>>>>>>> a political scapegoat for any issue they have based their 
>>>>>>>>>> ignorant
>>>>>>>>>> opinions on, as is shown by his parroting of magatard groupthink
>>>>>>>>>> nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Andrew isn't as bad as most but even he more recently is allowing
>>>>>>>>>> himself to get sucked into the magatard groupthink propaganda 
>>>>>>>>>> - there is
>>>>>>>>>> no evidence in that article to support "Criminal illegal 
>>>>>>>>>> aliens....are
>>>>>>>>>> where her sympathies lie."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Since deportation only applies to people in the USA illegally, her
>>>>>>>>> statement absolutely indicates her sympathies are with the 
>>>>>>>>> illegals.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Deportation applies to people "presumed illegal" by the 
>>>>>>>> administration,
>>>>>>>> not only to people legally determined illegal.
>>>>>>>> Sadly the current admisitration has declared people illegal and
>>>>>>>> attempted to deport without due process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1, There have already been several well documented detentions and
>>>>>>> attempted deportations of _legal_ immigrants.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mistakes were made. All were quickly corrected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>
>>>>> Compare with some 20 million errors in the other direction in the 
>>>>> past four years.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh, great, now you're on board with 'The Great Replacement' theory.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting that an admitted atheist would be supportive of 
>>>> blatantly white christian nationalist fascism. Gee Andrew, who's 
>>>> going to be there when they come for you?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have no idea what you're raving about.
>>
>> yes you do, you're just unwilling to admit it.
>>
>>>
>>> Go find a blatant white Christian nationalist fascist who's 
>>> expounding some 'replacement theory' and give her a piece of your mind.
>>
>> Just for everyone else's edification who might be ignorant:
>>
>> https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-twisted-logic- behind-the- 
>> rights-great-replacement-arguments/
>>
>> Don't try to feign ignorance Andrew, you're far too well- read and 
>> aware for me to buy that bullshit.
>>
>>>
>>> Even SCOTUS agrees that open borders as fiat policy is unlawful:
>>>
>>> https://apnews.com/article/trump-supreme-court- immigration- 
>>> deportation-8bc46820c6444fbb3540c09764e32905
>>
>> WTF? Are you taking kunich lessons now? You changed the subject then 
>> posted a link which doesn't support your claim.
>>
>> 1) we weren't discussing open borders, we were discussing due process 
>> for deportation of illegal immigrants.
>>
>> 2) your website doesn't address open borders, it addresses revoking 
>> _legal_ status for asylum seekers. The first sentence states:
>>
>> "The Supreme Court on Friday again cleared the way for the Trump 
>> administration to strip temporary legal protections from hundreds of 
>> thousands of immigrants".
>>
>> Regardless of your attempted distraction, the premise floated in this 
>> forum by the floriduh dumbass that illegal aliens have no due process 
>> protection is flat out wrong.
>>
>> https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-5/ removal- 
>> of-aliens-who-have-entered-the-united-states
>> "Despite the government’s broad power over immigration, the Supreme 
>> Court has recognized that aliens who have physically entered the 
>> United States generally come under the protective scope of the Due 
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