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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Cycling and social policy Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2025 09:15:47 -0500 Organization: Yellow Jersey, Ltd. Lines: 44 Message-ID: <101hnal$24ksl$2@dont-email.me> References: <101f650$178mo$1@dont-email.me> <101g9rj$1hvsg$5@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2025 16:15:50 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2aeb452250dc203f41f1477c08af2d56"; logging-data="2249621"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/ehjIC/qfhb3aWTmZG/RtF" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:234I7lrGV1Q6qKGqjtVIZHG18PE= In-Reply-To: <101g9rj$1hvsg$5@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US On 5/31/2025 8:19 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: > On 5/31/2025 11:10 AM, AMuzi wrote: >> https://nypost.com/2025/05/30/opinion/lefties-pro-migrant- >> push-back-on- tischs-e-bike-crackdown-is-obscene/ > > The New York Post trades heavily in sensationalism and > political divisiveness. > > Here was the main point in the New York Times article I > linked on this issue: "Cyclists who blow through red lights > without endangering anyone else can now be forced to appear > in court. Drivers who commit the same violation cannot." As > I presently noted here, immigrants, legal or not, were > barely mentioned. Complaints centered around the fact that > bikes or ebikes are a tiny portion of pedestrian risk - > motor vehicles are far, far more dangerous - but motoring > offenses are treated far more lightly. > > And regarding the incident linked within your NYP article > regarding a 3-year-old girl getting knocked down when she > ran into a protected bike lane: Both the article describing > it and the bulk of reader comments faulted the design of the > bike lane, not the fact that it was an ebike. If there was > _any_ mention of immigrants, it was minor. (I'm one of those > who think that facility design is nuts.) > > Finally, let's please remember that most immigrants are > legal. Many do take low paying jobs, including things like > food delivery, but that does not make them into illegals. > I found the 'discrimination toward illegals' argument interesting in a macabre sort of way. And yes, I agree with you that most foreigners here are legally present. I am a strong proponent of clarity to distinguish among newly naturalized citizens, temporary visa holders, resident aliens and illegal aliens. Conflating those is dishonest if not pernicious. -- Andrew Muzi am@yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971