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From: Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>
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Subject: Re: Todays rant
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2025 23:10:07 -0400
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On 6/2/2025 12:02 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On 2 Jun 2025 08:28:17 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
> 
>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> On 6/1/2025 5:12 PM, cyclintom wrote:
>>>> On Thu Dec 12 18:37:02 2024 Frank Krygowski  wrote:
>>>>> On 12/12/2024 2:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/12/2024 11:51 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/12/2024 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/12/2024 7:19 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 12/11/2024 4:59 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you agree with me that the crucial aspects are the actor and the
>>>>>>>> act, not the hardware.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To a certain extent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If every human being could be trusted to act responsibly, allowing a
>>>>>>> device that was developed expressly to kill other human beings to be
>>>>>>> possessed without any restrictions wouldn't be a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> But in that case, why would a person possess such a device? Some level
>>>>> of intent to kill is what drives ownership.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, yes, I know that Andrew is not intent on killing when he takes his
>>>>> AR to the range. But somewhere in there is "practicing in case I need
>>>>> it" as motivation. That is, the motivation is not to put closely spaced
>>>>> holes in paper, because a .177 air rifle can do that as well or better.
>>>>> Somewhere is "I can blast away and destroy."
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Following your posit to the extreme, there should be no reason
>>>>>>> therefore to prevent me from mounting a fully- operational m134
>>>>>>> minigun on the roof of my car. Hey, I'm a responsible adult, never
>>>>>>> been arrested, I've never committed any acts of violence, even had a
>>>>>>> security clearance for a time. If the criteria is _solely_ 'the actor
>>>>>>> and the act', why shouldn't I be able to do that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why shouldn't _any_ one who has never had any history of violent
>>>>>>> behavior _not_ be allowed to own weapons of war? It's not like people
>>>>>>> with no history of violence have _ever_ engaged in a mass shooting....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, you could.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tedious lengthy process plus $200 will get you your very own NFA tax
>>>>>> stamp,
>>>>>
>>>>> But nobody does that without harboring at least the image of using such
>>>>> a gun to kill other people.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it's a bit weird even when it's confined to the world of video
>>>>> games. But when it leads to possession and proliferation of devices
>>>>> designed for such killing, it's a real societal problem.
>>>>
>>>> Tell me Frank, what does it feel like for the law itself to disagree with you?
>>>
>>> Damn, Tom, what does it feel like to have to resurrect arguments from
>>> December 12 to feel good about yourself? Have you been constantly
>>> stewing over that for almost six months?
>>
>> I suspect in this case it’s incompetence rather than deliberate!
>> Roger Merriman
> 
> The 6 month delay is not Tom's incompetence or malice.  Tom is using
> newshosting.com as his Usenet News service and his news reader
> program:
> <https://www.newshosting.com/newsreader/>
> I tried it...

It's nice of you to be kind, but I don't think the bad newsreader 
excuses Tom's incompetence. If we can tell he's responding to a 6 month 
old thread, Tom ought to be able to tell.



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- Frank Krygowski