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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2025 08:45:06 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 16 Message-ID: <101mqoh$2ji$1@dont-email.me> References: <yU0_P.1529838$4AM6.776697@fx17.ams4> <101a7uv$3vfam$5@dont-email.me> <101br7m$db03$1@dont-email.me> <101cjk7$hfof$7@dont-email.me> <d8d7c46fe2728e5481a504e6edacc8fd0fea5285@i2pn2.org> <101e8ak$vhu7$1@dont-email.me> <101etan$14dr4$2@dont-email.me> <101fbth$173bb$13@dont-email.me> <101fcgj$19e5f$2@dont-email.me> <101fia9$1cj4h$1@dont-email.me> <101fl5a$1dfmq$1@dont-email.me> <101fvok$1gaq8$1@dont-email.me> <101g68s$1i7tb$1@dont-email.me> <101g7ph$1iik6$1@dont-email.me> <101gaht$1j464$1@dont-email.me> <101ghl0$1p48p$1@dont-email.me> <101gjb3$1p7o2$1@dont-email.me> <101hsdt$2806l$1@dont-email.me> <101lodi$3pbm3$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2025 14:45:06 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="020b5f67c0fd8eca1fe89064cd903f5f"; logging-data="2674"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+I4qC1U+ZsAYzAokntY5Nt" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:1Ry6BBlgHxB2WursLvWnSl/xkP8= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <101lodi$3pbm3$1@dont-email.me> On 6/2/2025 10:58 PM, Mike Terry wrote: > Even if presented > with /direct observations/ contradicting his position, PO can (will) > just invent new magical thinking that only he is smart enough to > understand, in order to somehow justify his busted intuitions. My favorite is that the directly executed D(D) doesn't halt even though it looks like it does: On 1/24/24 19:18, olcott wrote: > The directly executed D(D) reaches a final state and exits normally. > BECAUSE ANOTHER ASPECT OF THE SAME COMPUTATION HAS BEEN ABORTED, > Thus meeting the correct non-halting criteria if any step of > a computation must be aborted to prevent its infinite execution > then this computation DOES NOT HALT (even if it looks like it does).