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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: Cycling and social policy
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2025 08:17:04 -0500
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On 6/3/2025 5:16 AM, zen cycle wrote:
> On 6/1/2025 10:15 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 5/31/2025 8:19 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 5/31/2025 11:10 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> https://nypost.com/2025/05/30/opinion/lefties-pro- 
>>>> migrant- push-back- on- tischs-e-bike-crackdown-is-obscene/
>>>
>>> The New York Post trades heavily in sensationalism and 
>>> political divisiveness.
>>>
>>> Here was the main point in the New York Times article I 
>>> linked on this issue: "Cyclists who blow through red 
>>> lights without endangering anyone else can now be forced 
>>> to appear in court. Drivers who commit the same violation 
>>> cannot." As I presently noted here, immigrants, legal or 
>>> not, were barely mentioned. Complaints centered around 
>>> the fact that bikes or ebikes are a tiny portion of 
>>> pedestrian risk - motor vehicles are far, far more 
>>> dangerous - but motoring offenses are treated far more 
>>> lightly.
>>>
>>> And regarding the incident linked within your NYP article 
>>> regarding a 3-year-old girl getting knocked down when she 
>>> ran into a protected bike lane: Both the article 
>>> describing it and the bulk of reader comments faulted the 
>>> design of the bike lane, not the fact that it was an 
>>> ebike. If there was _any_ mention of immigrants, it was 
>>> minor. (I'm one of those who think that facility design 
>>> is nuts.)
>>>
>>> Finally, let's please remember that most immigrants are 
>>> legal. Many do take low paying jobs, including things 
>>> like food delivery, but that does not make them into 
>>> illegals.
>>>
>>
>> I found the 'discrimination toward illegals' argument 
>> interesting in a macabre sort of way.
>>
>> And yes, I agree with you that most foreigners here are 
>> legally present. I am a strong proponent of clarity to 
>> distinguish among newly naturalized citizens, temporary 
>> visa holders, resident aliens and illegal aliens. 
>> Conflating those is dishonest if not pernicious.
>>
> 
> And yet you had no problem conflating a comment from a 
> community activist who said e-bike legislation was an 
> attempt to marginalize the immigrant community with support 
> for illegal immigration.

It was not I.

 From the report linked above:

"The proof? How they used a budget hearing to assail NYPD 
Commissioner Jessica Tisch for deciding to issue criminal 
summonses to law-breaking e-bike riders, instead of mere 
traffic-court tickets, to discourage reckless road behavior.

Their gripe?

A lot of e-bike riders are delivery drivers for food apps, 
and a lot of delivery drivers are illegal immigrants — who 
might get deported if slapped with a criminal summons."

And yes, I did find that interesting in a macabre sort of way.

The argument is no different than Orville Faubus' flouting 
of federal law.  People do remember that Eisenhower sent the 
101st Airborne to forcibly desegregate Little Rock Central 
High in 1958. This is widely regarded as an appropriate, 
bold and noble decision and I heartily agree.  What most 
people do not remember is that eventually Federal soldiers 
left, and Central High was closed in defiance.  Our present 
situation is yet a moving drama and not over by a long shot.


-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
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