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On 2025-06-03 18:27, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Jun 2025 01:03:52 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2025 at 8:08:29 PM EDT, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What is “Unix”? It’s just a trademark. The original meaning of a
>>> particular way for a computer system (OS and userland) to operate has
>>> gone, and Apple played an instrumental part in killing it.
>>
>> You repeating this does not make it true.
> 
> I’m looking at build scripts for cross-platform software which contain
> lines like “if(UNIX AND NOT APPLE)”. Why would that be necessary, do you
> think?

Hmmmm...because there are detail difference between different versions 
of the same basic OS?

Are you really saying that such differences never crop up with Linux or 
other Unix systems?

> 
>>> When people think “Unix” nowadays, they really mean a Linux or BSD
>>> system. That’s what works they way they expect a “Unix” system to work.
>>> Not Apple.
>>
>> Only because everyone expects a "Unix" system to be ugly and obtuse.
>>
>> It sounds like you are confusing the GUI with the underlying OS.
> 
> I said nothing about the GUI, you did.
> 
>> Underneath it is a descendent of BSD, with a userland mainly from
>> FreeBSD.
> 
> On Apple, the GUI is inextricably bound into the OS kernel. On Linux and

No. It really isn't.

> (true) BSD, it is not -- it remains a modular, replaceable (and removable)
> layer, the way it is supposed to be on “Unix” systems (without the
> trademark).