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Subject: Re: What the Constitution, Supreme Court say about 'due process' for
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On 6/4/2025 4:52 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Jun 2025 11:23:34 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
> wrote:
> 
>> Am 04.06.2025 um 10:31 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
>>> On Wed, 4 Jun 2025 01:10:55 -0000 (UTC), Beej Jorgensen <beej@beej.us>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <d3vu3k5sec04fbqhmm6sjdktd2t9t5v81r@4ax.com>,
>>>> Catrike Ryder  <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>> I'm neither in the USA illegally, nor have I committed any crimes, so
>>>>> you needn't worry.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not worried that you're in the US illegally or have committed any
>>>> crimes. I'm worried that the government will *say* you're in the country
>>>> illegally and then ship you off.
>>>>
>>>> There is no law that says the government cannot say you are in the
>>>> country illegally. The only thing protecting you is the fact that you
>>>> get a hearing.
>>>>
>>>> You clearly trust the government far more than I do to be willing to
>>>> waive this right.
>>>
>>> US citizens should indeed get a hearing.
>>
>> Do you mean "people who claim to be US citizens" should get a hearing to
>> verify whether they are indeed US citizens?
> 
> No
> 
> --
> C'est bon
> Soloman


That's a deeper more serious question than it may at first 
appear.

Check out the first paragraphs here for example:

https://nypost.com/2025/06/04/us-news/famed-lawyer-alan-dershowitz-publishes-his-magnum-opus-but-fears-people-wont-read-it-for-this-reason/

“There’s no free lunch, and every time we act to prevent 
great harms, we take away a little liberty. There’s no doubt 
about that. There’s always going to be a trade-off. And the 
key is to make the trade-off based on principles. And it’s 
OK, as I say in the book, to give up a little inessential 
liberty to gain a lot of security but not to give up basic 
liberties to gain a small amount of security. We do too much 
of the latter and not enough of the former. And so what I’ve 
tried to do is create a jurisprudence which weighs when it’s 
proper and when it’s not proper to take preventive actions 
and erring always on the side of liberty rather than 
security but giving weight to security.”

This is an inherent and perpetual conflict.


-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971