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From: zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: What the Constitution, Supreme Court say about 'due process' for
 Trump deportees:
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2025 19:12:05 -0400
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On 6/4/2025 5:52 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 6/4/2025 2:53 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>> On 6/4/2025 9:43 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 6/4/2025 4:30 AM, zen cycle wrote:
>>>> On 6/3/2025 5:03 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 6/3/2025 3:10 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/3/2025 11:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/3/2025 8:59 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There was a false statement inserted into a filing in re Kilmar 
>>>>>>>> Abrego Garcia that he had been deported in error. The Justice 
>>>>>>>> Department employee who added that was fired the next morning 
>>>>>>>> and the filing emended...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Got a citation or other evidence for that claim? And what did the 
>>>>>>> courts say about this issue? And where is Mr. Garcia now?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right, The government narrative kept changing, coming up with 
>>>>>> different excuses, right down to trump retweeting a photo shopped 
>>>>>> (fake) image of Mr. Garcia with gang tattoos. Once they were 
>>>>>> unable to convince anyone with any brains that he had no criminal 
>>>>>> past, they brought out a domestic abuse complaint from ten years 
>>>>>> ago - complete bullshit as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As Monday morning's NYT for example, whose front page did not 
>>>>>>>> cover the immolation of live US citizens, including a Holocaust 
>>>>>>>> survivor, in Boulder by an illegal jihadi screaming 'free 
>>>>>>>> palestine.' Deemed not interesting enough by editorial staff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't get a print edition of NYT; but your complaint seems to 
>>>>>>> be that eight people getting various degrees of burns did not get 
>>>>>>> enough attention, despite it being on every news outlet. It looks 
>>>>>>> to me like NYT has since done many articles on the incident and 
>>>>>>> its implications. Are you trying to say NYT does sufficiently 
>>>>>>> protest antisemitism?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And BTW, what happened was despicable. As you know, I'm firmly 
>>>>>>> against attempts to harm or kill groups of innocent people. But 
>>>>>>> "immolation of live US citizens" is more than a little 
>>>>>>> exaggerated. It usually means burning to death. I gather only one 
>>>>>>> person out of the eight was seriously burned.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's no excuse for the attack, but you can slightly relax your 
>>>>>>> grip on your own pearls!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> At his previous 2019 hearing, after his deportation order, the 
>>>>> removal was stayed as the judge found that his MS-13 gang 
>>>>> membership put him at risk in his old neighborhood controlled by a 
>>>>> competing gang.
>>>>>
>>>>> (details are messy as he had lived both in El Salvador and in 
>>>>> Guatemala)
>>>>>
>>>>> https://tennesseestar.com/news/immigration-judges-2019- order- 
>>>>> found- kilmar-abrego-garcia-subject-to-removal-by- deportation-but- 
>>>>> granted- withholding-of-removal-to- guatemala-though-referencing- 
>>>>> el-salvador/ tpappert/2025/04/22/
>>>>>
>>>>> The prior administration also denied assistance to Tennessee State 
>>>>> Patrol in 2022 when they stopped him in the car of a known 
>>>>> trafficker with a load of smuggled illegals while speeding with no 
>>>>> valid license. FBI directed TSP to not detain him.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://tennesseestar.com/justice/tennessee-highway- patrol- 
>>>>> confirms- biden-era-fbi-told-officers-to-release- kilmar-abrego- 
>>>>> garcia- during-2022- traffic-stop-despite- speeding-and-license- 
>>>>> violations- to/ tpappert/2025/04/17/
>>>>>
>>>>   Uncorroborated allegations.."sources said"...."two (unnamed) 
>>>> judges determined he is likely to be a member of the Central 
>>>> American gang, Mara Salvatrucha"....iow, more trump ICE/DOJ lies to 
>>>> cover their assess.
>>>
>>>
>>> The judge who, in 2019, stayed deportation to Guatemala _due to his 
>>> gang affiliation_ wrote his decision. It was not appealed.
>>>
>>
>> Got a link? I couldn't find anything except trump DOJ heresay.
>>
> 
> Cited above, it's in the header of the first link, "granted withholding 
> of removal to guatemala though referencing el salvador"

um...no.

The named judge in that article - Judge David M. Jones - made absolutely 
no determination of any gang affiliation. Judge Jones order is linked in 
the article so you can read it yourself. (here for convenience 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1V_yaacfwjS6i02eeCaHoPh64tGvySkVO/)

Regarding any alleged gang affiliation, The link you provided has no 
more information than "two [unnamed] judges determined he is likely to 
be a member of the Central American gang, Mara Salvatrucha".

It's heresay, and there has been no evidence produced by anyone that Mr. 
Garcia had any gang affiliation. More trump DOJ bullshit.

>