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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD emulated by HHH diverges from DDD emulated by HHH1 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2025 11:53:15 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 61 Message-ID: <101si1r$1kh2e$15@dont-email.me> References: <101khcl$3bfvj$6@dont-email.me> <101o96g$db96$3@dont-email.me> <101ob1t$hd6o$3@dont-email.me> <101obrf$hlr6$1@dont-email.me> <101ocan$hd6o$6@dont-email.me> <101ochl$i3m6$1@dont-email.me> <101oda2$hd6o$8@dont-email.me> <101oe1m$i3m6$3@dont-email.me> <101oee0$hd6o$9@dont-email.me> <101oeik$i3m6$4@dont-email.me> <101ofvi$inkg$1@dont-email.me> <101pask$pv5r$1@dont-email.me> <101porr$ta6v$1@dont-email.me> <101qb4p$11sr2$1@dont-email.me> <101qbtj$11qlg$1@dont-email.me> <101qc32$11sr2$3@dont-email.me> <101qhst$13bo7$1@dont-email.me> <101qicm$11sr2$4@dont-email.me> <101qjki$13i0e$1@dont-email.me> <101qn7s$14gq1$1@dont-email.me> <101qnp3$14gff$1@dont-email.me> <101qo1g$14gq1$2@dont-email.me> <101qoia$14gff$2@dont-email.me> <101qp3h$14gq1$3@dont-email.me> <101qqn5$14gff$4@dont-email.me> <101qrrc$14gq1$4@dont-email.me> <101qsfp$15bg8$1@dont-email.me> <101qt22$15d1h$1@dont-email.me> <101qu35$15bg8$2@dont-email.me> <dae2c9b3b417888d6d9da70688cb523f01ac5861@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2025 18:53:16 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="7a75ad72c7c9f6fd0ca7001367c21b2a"; logging-data="1721422"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18j+R9QsBE/JpmVMtFDoDsD" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:AEvXud2gcL7PNePWzIch4veOOEU= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250605-8, 6/5/2025), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: <dae2c9b3b417888d6d9da70688cb523f01ac5861@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US On 6/5/2025 6:37 AM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 6/4/25 10:06 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 6/4/2025 8:48 PM, dbush wrote: >>> On 6/4/2025 9:39 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 6/4/2025 8:28 PM, dbush wrote: >> >>> >>> DDD emulated by HHH1 emulating HHH DDD emulated by HHH emulating HHH >>> [00002183] push ebp ; [00002183] push ebp ; >>> [00002184] mov ebp,esp ; [00002184] mov ebp,esp ; >>> [00002186] push 00002183 ; DDD [00002186] push 00002183 ; DDD >>> [0000218b] call 000015c3 ; HHH [0000218b] call 000015c3 ; HHH >>> ### HHH aborts ### >>> >> >> *That is dishonest* >> HHH1 emulates DDD once and this matches >> the first time that HHH emulates DDD. >> >> DDD emulated by HHH1 DDD emulated by HHH >> [00002183] push ebp [00002183] push ebp >> [00002184] mov ebp,esp [00002184] mov ebp,esp >> [00002186] push 00002183 ; DDD [00002186] push 00002183 ; DDD >> [0000218b] call 000015c3 ; HHH [0000218b] call 000015c3 ; HHH >> >> *THE MATCHING IS NOW USED UP* >> *THE MATCHING IS NOW USED UP* >> *THE MATCHING IS NOW USED UP* > > Right, becuase HHH gives up when HHH1 proves that the complete emulation > would halt. > >> >> *Then DDD emulated by HHH diverges from DDD emulated by HHH1* >> >> DDD emulated by HHH emulating itself >> [00002183] push ebp ; >> [00002184] mov ebp,esp ; >> [00002186] push 00002183 ; DDD >> [0000218b] call 000015c3 ; HHH >> >> > > Which is the emulation done by HHH1, that shows that HHH will abort and > return 0 and thus DDD halts. > The above is not an emulation done by HHH1 it is done by a simulated simulated HHH. You have to keep the basic facts straight or you will never understand. > Which goes against the INCORRECT assumptions that HHH used, and thus HHH > was just incorrect, and you are proven to not understand how logic works, > -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer