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Subject: Re: RE: Re: What the Constitution, Supreme Court say about 'due
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2025 19:45:52 -0500
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On 6/5/2025 6:42 PM, cyclintom wrote:
> On Wed Jun 4 13:27:52 2025 Rolf Mantel  wrote:
>>
>> So you claim to be a US citizen, the government claim you're not.
>> Should you get a hearing or should the government deport you without a
>> hearing?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> hat is not an argument Rolf. You cannot argue with either an honest birth certificate or now a Real ID. Birth Certificates are certified at the time and place of your birth.

I have no doubt that 'Real ID' will be counterfeited equally 
as well as current ID. Post haste.

And birth certificates are certified 'as valid copy' by the 
registrar or clerk when the duplicate is made. You will 
never see the original record.

(I have never seen mine, or a copy, in any form. I believe 
that it likely exists in the county record but I never had 
to produce a copy and never pursued it.)

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Andrew Muzi
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