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From: Marion <marion@facts.com>
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: There is no common consumer device _less_ private than iOS!
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2025 03:14:49 -0000 (UTC)
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There is no common consumer device _less_ private than iOS!
Or is there?

That is the question....

This deserves its own thread because Apple owners are generally completely
ignorant of how Apple devices operate as dumb terminals, simply becasue
Apple owners are, by and large, herd animals who never use their brains.

Given Apple's (brilliant) marketing advertises otherwise, Apple owners are
clueless that there is no common consumer operating system _less_ private
than an iOS device is.

One of the reasons the privacy of every other common consumer operating
system is NOT available with iOS, is the requirement for a mothership
login.

With that login, Apple keeps track of an *immense* amount of data about
you. Meanwhile, Microsoft and Google can't do that, unless you're dumb
enough to create a mothership login on Windows or Android.

But we know computers so we're not that stupid.
Well, Apple owners don't understand this.

Which is why I bring it up to the fore.

If you think an Apple device is NOT the least private common consumer
device out there, please let us know why you think that's not the case?

Note: You might think you could just not create an Apple account on that
device, but most of your native software will not be updated over time; so
that's not even a realistic option (compared to not creating a mothership
account on Windows or Android - which has no negative implications).

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On Thu, 05 Jun 2025 19:17:33 -0400, Joel wrote :


>>Lots of people don't want to use either one of those.
> 
> Yeah, sure, they want their video games, commercial apps, it's
> pathetic.  They know nothing like we know of computers.

I turned off everything I could when I set up Windows 10 long ago.
Anytime something shows up, I kill it as soon as I figure what it is.
I pity people who don't know how computers work who don't do that.

Take Android users, for example.
Certainly I don't have a Google Account set up on that phone.
Even though, if I wanted to, I could use Google products.
a. I can get email - I just have to use FairEmail (or equivalent)
b. I can navigate - I just have to NOT log into Google Maps
c. I can subscribe to YouTube channels - I just use NewPipe instead
d. I can download apps off the Google repo - I just don't use Google Play
e. I can do calendaring - I just use Etar instead of Google's calendar
f. I can do messaging - I just use PulseSMS instead of Google messenger
etc.

It's much harder with my iOS devices since Apple hates you having privacy.
The iOS device is by far the least private device that consumers own.

What's super interesting is Apple owners actually think otherwise?
Why?

Because Apple told Apple owners that the iOS device is private.
Even though there is no common consumer device _less_ private than iOS!

Like I said, I pity people who don't know what we know about computers.