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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: What the Constitution, Supreme Court say about 'due process' for
 Trump deportees:
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2025 07:57:37 -0500
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On 6/5/2025 9:15 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Jun 2025 14:55:39 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 6/5/2025 2:38 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>> On Thu, 5 Jun 2025 13:14:40 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/5/2025 12:59 PM, Beej Jorgensen wrote:
>>>>> In article <1il14k1qafnttu1oeqhfg0qpdfuc6c3o93@4ax.com>,
>>>>> Catrike Ryder  <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>> No, they mnay have got a hearing when they showed that they were
>>>>>> citizens, but not before.
>>>>>
>>>>> And so you must always carry proof of citizenship 100% of the time, or
>>>>> else you're deported without hearing. Don't leave home without it, kids.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not advocating either way but merely being a US citizen
>>>> and walking around with no ID can get you arrested (depends
>>>> on the jurisdiction and circumstances).
>>>>
>>>> https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/Failure-identify-police-officer.htm
>>>>
>>>> https://legalclarity.org/do-you-have-to-identify-yourself-to-the-police/
>>>>
>>>> There were (are?) places where no ID and "no visible means
>>>> of support" is defined as vagrancy = 3 days and a ride to
>>>> the county line.  Happened to me, long ago.
>>>
>>> Vagrancy is another thing.
>>>
>>> --
>>> C'est bon
>>> Soloman
>>
>> It's an unclear issue, especially that some States hand out
>> ID and even driving licenses to illegal aliens. US citizen
>> vagrants would imaginably be unable to prove identity while
>> standing next to a deportable illegal with valid ID.
>>
>> Again I take no position on this or that but "no ID" is a
>> very fuzzy standard.
> 
> For, probably, the majority, their birth certificate is all that is
> need, as if yoy are born in the U.S. you are concidered a citizen.
> --
> cheers,
> 
> John B.
> 

I think we all agree that a finding of fact is necessary and 
proper. (a finding of fact is not the same as a trial)

That said, who habitually  carries a certified copy of a 
birth certificate?  No one I know at least.

-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
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