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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2025 17:38:59 -0700
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On 6/6/25 8:55 AM, Joel wrote:
> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>> On Fri, 6/6/2025 4:02 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>> Tyrone wrote:
>>>
>>>> Windows 10 will continue to get AV updates.
>>>
>>> If you pay extra for that extended support, right?
>>
>> These are updated daily. When you air-gap a Windows, you can "bring over"
>> a definition update and install it on an OS. I've done this on numerous
>> occasions, to give the AV something to do :-) Naturally, there are two
>> parts to these -- if a definition needed a newer parser to read it, that's
>> an issue. For unsupported OSes, that is less likely to happen. At a minimum
>> this gives a rough equivalent to a Cisco TALOS ClamAV (in other words,
>> limited heuristic capabilities, but still has some value and could
>> detect Sality inbound).
>>
>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/defenderupdates
>>
>>    "Windows Defender in Windows 7 and Windows Vista    32-bit | 64-bit"
>>
>> But effort is put into those, and it "counts as support". It
>> gets done, because it's a part of the active support structure
>> for the later OSes, and is just a derivative output file. Just as a lot
>> of "junior AV companies" may rely on ClamAV for their definition files.
>> Roughly a third of branded AV products are junk (but you have to start
>> somewhere). For example, Malwarebytes started as a heuristic product,
>> only detecting "novel intrusions" and stopping them. Only later
>> did it get signatures to scan, and so it would have started on
>> a diet of ClamAV at first. It might take a staff of 200, to do a
>> viable ClamAV equivalent. Three guys in moms basement, can't keep up.
>>
>> The junk AV products, don't have the 30 unpackers necessary to check
>> obfuscated files. And this shows up as a recurring pattern in
>> Google Virustotal scan results (product "could not open" file).
>> That's how you can tell what is junk, if it can't even handle an
>> executable-packer. The companies with a staff of 1200-2000 are capable
>> of making worthwhile products (that's if they don't add too much FUD junk and
>> snakeoil).
> 
> 
> People who are insane enough to keep using a Win10 PC, unable to
> upgrade to 11, rather than just biting the God damn bullet and
> installing Linux, are pathetic.  Losers.  Oh I'm used to being
> handheld, what is this "terminal" thing (unlike PowerShell, of
> course).  FFS, if they have an old PC, can't afford a nice new Win11
> box, try Linux God damn it.
> 


Joel,

It is not "insane" to keep W10 running if you install a
good anti virus and stop using M$ spyware (copilot,
Edge, etc.)

The "can't learn anything new" crowd and the "I must run
this exact Windows program" crowd can easily upgrade to
W11 by cutting a USB drive with Rufus.

No one would like to see Windows go away more than me.
But you have to do what is best for the customer.
That is, unfortunately, Windows a lot of the time.

I would posit that Windows has kept the computer world
a least 10 years behind where it should have been.

-T