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On 6/7/2025 3:03 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Jun 2025 19:05:26 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 06 Jun 2025 19:52:16 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 06 Jun 2025 16:27:14 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 06 Jun 2025 04:27:07 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 5 Jun 2025 23:29:08 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/5/2025 8:22 PM, cyclintom wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Around here the idiot governor has driven most good people out of the state and they have been replace by honest hard working illegals. No one is coming back to the worst state just because it has the best weather.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I spent a week there not long ago. You're right, Tom, Mountain View,
>>>>>> Palo Alto, San Jose, Cupertino, San Francisco were like deserts! Nobody
>>>>>> as far as the eye could see!   :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know what caused all the traffic. Robotaxis in disguise? But who
>>>>>> would need them?
>>>>>
>>>>> With over 817,000 residents leaving in 2023, California continues to
>>>>> have one of the highest outbound migration rates. High housing costs,
>>>>> rising taxes, and concerns about affordability are pushing residents
>>>>> to states like Texas and Arizona. When asked what state has the most
>>>>> people leaving, California consistently ranks at the top due to its
>>>>> high cost of living and economic challenges.
>>>>> https://clancymoving.com/blog/2025/april/moving-statistics-and-trends-for-2025-what-to-expect-this-year/
>>>>
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_exodus#Demographics>
>>>> Leaving Calif    -690,127 in 2023
>>>> Entering Calif   +422,075 in 2023
>>>> =================================
>>>> Net change       -268,052
>>>>
>>>> Source of data:
>>>> <https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/geographic-mobility/state-to-state-migration.html>
>>>
>>> I'd like to see the in/out numbers of registered voters
>>
>> Thanks for ignoring what I wrote.  Your numbers from Clancy Relocation
>> and Logistics appear to be faulty and not very authoritative.  I
>> suggest you find a better source that provides sources for its
>> numbers.  You also ignored everyone entering California.
>>
>> I couldn't find anything that counted California in-migration and
>> out-migration by voter registration or political party affiliation.
>>
>> Perhaps I could provide an answer if you could rewrite your request
>> into something that I can feed to an AI.  Using ChatGPT 3 and asking:
>> "What is the percent immigration, in and out of California by
>> political party in 2024?"
>> <https://chatgpt.com/share/68439ab9-02c0-800c-8ef4-8b182445d370>
>>
>> I could try to squeeze some better and more specific info out of the
>> AI, but I would need a clue as to what you are looking for.  I can
>> also ask other AI's and/or reword the request.  I don't care about
>> what you're trying to prove.  Just what information you need to prove
>> your point.
> 
> 
> I saw what you wrote, and I wondered how many of the in and out
> numbers were registered voters rather than just people.
> 
> Because:
> 
> The fact that in recent years many non-citizens have been allowed
> entry nto the country and many of them are in California.
> 
> As for the mover's numbers, I'm thinking most were families. At any
> rate, California recently lost a congressional seat, so they are
> bleeding registered voters.
> 
> --
> C'est bon
> Soloman

Small point-

Our Constitution says Congressional apportionment is counted 
by 'persons', not 'citizens' nor 'registered voters'. That's 
taken to mean 'all and sundry':

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/3215856/not-voting-migrants-give-democrats-14-electoral-votes/


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Andrew Muzi
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