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From: dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic,comp.ai.philosophy
Subject: Re: Everyone on this forum besides Keith has been a damned liar about
 this point
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2025 14:46:04 -0400
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On 6/9/2025 2:35 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 6/9/2025 1:14 PM, dbush wrote:
>> On 6/9/2025 2:02 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 6/9/2025 12:48 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>> On 6/9/2025 1:43 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 6/9/2025 12:39 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/9/2025 1:34 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/9/2025 12:20 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2025 1:12 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2025 12:07 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2025 1:03 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2025 11:52 AM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2025 12:39 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2025 11:33 AM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2025 12:24 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2025 11:12 AM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2025 12:06 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By replying to a yes or no question with the full
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and complete justification forces the respondent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to look more deeply into these things than simply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dismissing a view out-of-hand without review.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But by not including the yes or no you dishonestly dodge 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the question.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not at all. Not in the least little bit. By forcing my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reviewers to point out an error in my actual reasoning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I prove who is the actual ignorant one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And since your reasoning is that the input to HHH(DDD) 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only includes the code of the function DDD as you've 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stated below,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *In other words you are too stupid to understand this*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> void DDD()
>>>>>>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    HHH(DDD);
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    return;
>>>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The *input* to simulating termination analyzer HHH(DDD)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> specifies recursive simulation that can never reach its
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *simulated "return" instruction final halt state*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Every rebuttal to this changes the words*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Repeat of original point, previously refuted (see below)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you disagree with the above you are disagreeing
>>>>>>>>>>> with a self-evident truth.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I see you made no attempt to refute what I said, confirming 
>>>>>>>>>> your agreement.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not at all. I will not tolerate any scatter-brained
>>>>>>>>> attempt at changing the subject, especially when you
>>>>>>>>> proved that you don't even understand the meaning of
>>>>>>>>> the words.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just admit that you're not working on the halting problem and 
>>>>>>>> people will stop disagreeing with you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have been over this too many times.
>>>>>>> Do you really not remember what I said?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remember that you said that your HHH doesn't take a 
>>>>>> description / specification of an algorithm, 
>>>>>
>>>>> I never said that
>>>>
>>>> Yes you did, see below.  As you yourself said:
>>>>
>>>
>>> When you reply with just the word-for-word quote of
>>> me saying exactly that I will look at the quote. I
>>> will not even look at your attempt to change the
>>> subject.
>>>
>>
>> You said, as quoted below:
>> * That the machine code of function HHH is not part of the finite 
>> string input DD / DDD
>> * That 000015c3 is not an instruction of DDD
>>
> 
> No time/date stamp indicates that you are probably lying.

Note the "as quoted below" part.  As you yourself said:

On 6/9/2025 10:55 AM, olcott wrote:
 > It is proven that you are a liar by the part of
 > my reply that you erased.

All you're doing is proving how much you'll lie and shamelessly hide the 
evidence to do so.

Further trimming of this will be taken as your official, on-the-record 
admission that you are not in fact working on the halting problem and 
have been lying all this time that you have.

>> Both of those mean that your HHH doesn't take a description / 
>> specification of an algorithm, meaning you're not working on the halting 
>> problem.
>> 
>> 
>> And again:
>> 
>> On 6/9/2025 10:55 AM, olcott wrote:
>>  > It is proven that you are a liar by the part of
>>  > my reply that you erased.
>> 
>> 
>>>>
>>>> On 6/9/2025 10:55 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>  > It is proven that you are a liar by the part of
>>>>  > my reply that you erased.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/13/2025 9:54 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>  > On 5/13/2025 9:48 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>  >> On 5/13/2025 8:31 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>  >>> On 5/13/2025 9:27 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>  >>>> On 5/13/2025 8:07 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>  >>>>> On 5/13/2025 5:30 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>  >>>>>> On 5/13/2025 6:43 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>  >>>>>>> On 5/13/25 12:52 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> *simulated D would never stop running unless aborted*
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> or they themselves could become non-terminating.
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>>>> But you aren't simulating the same PROGRAM D that the 
>>>>>> original
>>>>>>  >>>>>>> was given.
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>>> It is not supposed to be the same program.
>>>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>> So you *explicitly* admit to changing the input.
>>>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>>  >>>> The finite string of DD is specific sequence bytes.
>>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>>  >>> Which includes the specific sequence of bytes that is the finite
>>>>>>  >>> string HHH
>>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>>  >> No it does not. A function calls is not macro inclusion.
>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>  > Then you admit that your HHH not deciding about algorithms and 
>>>>>> therefore
>>>>>>  > has nothing to do with the halting problem.
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>
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