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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Everyone on this forum besides Keith has been a damned liar about
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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2025 14:48:02 -0500
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On 6/9/2025 2:42 PM, dbush wrote:
> On 6/9/2025 3:20 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/9/2025 1:46 PM, dbush wrote:
>>> On 6/9/2025 2:35 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 6/9/2025 1:14 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>> On 6/9/2025 2:02 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/9/2025 12:48 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/9/2025 1:43 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2025 12:39 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2025 1:34 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2025 12:20 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2025 1:12 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2025 12:07 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2025 1:03 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2025 11:52 AM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2025 12:39 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2025 11:33 AM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2025 12:24 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2025 11:12 AM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2025 12:06 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By replying to a yes or no question with the full
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and complete justification forces the respondent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to look more deeply into these things than simply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dismissing a view out-of-hand without review.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But by not including the yes or no you dishonestly 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dodge the question.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not at all. Not in the least little bit. By forcing my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reviewers to point out an error in my actual reasoning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I prove who is the actual ignorant one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And since your reasoning is that the input to HHH(DDD) 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only includes the code of the function DDD as you've 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stated below,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *In other words you are too stupid to understand this*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> void DDD()
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    HHH(DDD);
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    return;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The *input* to simulating termination analyzer HHH(DDD)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specifies recursive simulation that can never reach its
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *simulated "return" instruction final halt state*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Every rebuttal to this changes the words*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Repeat of original point, previously refuted (see below)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you disagree with the above you are disagreeing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a self-evident truth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see you made no attempt to refute what I said, confirming 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your agreement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not at all. I will not tolerate any scatter-brained
>>>>>>>>>>>> attempt at changing the subject, especially when you
>>>>>>>>>>>> proved that you don't even understand the meaning of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the words.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just admit that you're not working on the halting problem and 
>>>>>>>>>>> people will stop disagreeing with you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We have been over this too many times.
>>>>>>>>>> Do you really not remember what I said?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I remember that you said that your HHH doesn't take a 
>>>>>>>>> description / specification of an algorithm, 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I never said that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes you did, see below.  As you yourself said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you reply with just the word-for-word quote of
>>>>>> me saying exactly that I will look at the quote. I
>>>>>> will not even look at your attempt to change the
>>>>>> subject.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You said, as quoted below:
>>>>> * That the machine code of function HHH is not part of the finite 
>>>>> string input DD / DDD
>>>>> * That 000015c3 is not an instruction of DDD
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No time/date stamp indicates that you are probably lying.
>>>
>>> Note the "as quoted below" part.  As you yourself said:
>>>
>>
>> I am looking for an exact word-for-word quote with
>> a time and date stamp RIGHT HERE, all of your
>> misdirection indicates that you have no such thing.
> 
> That you can't be bothered to look down a few lines

Proves that I will not tolerate anything besides
a direct verbatim quote that is time-and-date
stamped that 100% exactly proves your claim.

That you keep insisting on muddying the waters
with something besides this seems to prove that
you are dishonest.

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