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On 6/10/2025 12:58 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 6/10/2025 11:33 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 6/10/2025 10:55 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>> On 6/10/2025 9:08 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/la-county-and-state- to-purge-15- 
>>>> million-inactive-voters-from-rolls/6866/
>>>
>>> Inactive voters are registered voters who have not voted in a certain 
>>> number of previous elections. Obviously, they had no effect on the 
>>> election.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://apnews.com/article/ohio-voters-citizenship- 
>>>> referrals-42799a379bdda8bca7201d6c42f99c65
>>>
>>> Per that link, there were 138 "non-ohio citizens" out of 8 million 
>>> votes cast.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.illinoisreview.com/illinoisreview/2017/09/ chicago-more- 
>>>> votes-than-registered-voters.html
>>>
>>> This was a right wing media ruse, where cook county votes being 
>>> tallied in Chicago - because that's where cook county votes are 
>>> tallied - outnumbered the the total number of registered voters in 
>>> Chicago.
>>>
>>> welll.....duuuuuhhhhhh.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> To "not significant numbers" I say our elections are routinely 
>>>> decided on small fractions of 1%.
>>> The evidence is not there to support any accusation that a close 
>>> election was decided by illegal votes.
>> And the right wing strategies to correct this alleged problem almost 
>> invariably hinge on making it more difficult for poor, or minority, or 
>> legitimate immigrant people to vote.
>>
>> Andrew has said something like he'd rather see a guilty person go free 
>> rather than have an innocent person executed, or words to that effect. 
>> That is, we should presume innocence unless guilt is proven.
>>
>> To extend that logic to voting, we shouldn't use the _myth_ of 
>> significant voter fraud to deprive innocent people of their right to 
>> vote.
>>
>> I don't believe this controversy is a big issue in other developed 
>> countries. It's another way the right wing manufactures imaginary 
>> problems in America.
>>
>>
> 
> Not my original idea.
> It's rooted in English Common Law and neatly phrased by Benjamin 
> Franklin. 

The phrase 'better that 100 guilty men go free than one innocent 
punished' is a grade-school civics class lesson (at least, it was 6th 
grade for me).

I had to google to refresh my 52-year-old recollection. He wrote it in a 
letter Benjamin Vaughan in 1786 - a negotiator for the Brits at the 
Treaty of Paris (no, my 6th grade civics didn't get that far into it)

Franklin was paraphrasing  Sir William Blackstone in his "Commentaries 
on the Laws of England" (1771): "all presumptive evidence of felony 
should be admitted cautiously: for the law holds, that it is better that 
ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer.”"

> I quoted him while noting the belief is widely, and justly, 
> held in USA.

Yeah....about that...
  "I'm more concerned with bad guys who got out and released than I am 
with a few that in fact were innocent."..."I have no problem as long as 
we achieve our objective. ... I'd do it again in a minute."
- Dick Cheney

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2014/12/cheney-alright-with-torture-of-innocent-people.html

Simlarly, in  in Cambodia, Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge expressed the same 
sentiment: "better arrest an innocent person than leave a guilty one free."
- Pol Pot's Little Red Book

The current administration doesn't seem too concerned that innocent 
legal residents are being snatched and detained purely for political 
purposes.


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