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From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: The Bird Flue Scam: Have you learned nothing? Re: Viewpoint:
 RFK's reckless firing of CDC vaccine advisors not supported by evidence
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2025 09:09:39 -0500
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On 6/10/2025 10:09 PM, JTEM wrote:
> On 6/10/25 10:34 PM, Chris Thompson wrote:
> 
>> Over 600 bald eagles are known (by necropsy) to have died of avian flu.
> 
> While egg prices were sky rocketing here "CUS BIRD FLU" they were under
> $2 a dozen in Mexico, well under for some brands. In Canada, there was
> a similar pattern where egg prices creeped up by a small margin but
> nowhere similar to here in the United States. How is it this Bird Flu
> knew where the borders were and why did it respect them?
> 
> You're focused on the source of the "Bird Flu" panic for your oh so
> accurate information on bird flu. But that "information" was debunked
> long ago, and you just doubled down, seeking more of the same kind
> of INEXPLICABLE claims from the same sources.
> 
> "Ah, science!"
> 
> 
> 
Mexico did not have the dairy epidemic, so their commercial layer flocks 
were never infected by infected dairy workers working on the layer 
farms.  It is really that simple.  California knew that dairy workers 
were infecting commercial poultry farms, but they still lost over 40% of 
their layer flocks because they would not restrict infected dairy 
workers from also working on poultry farms.  They never tried to 
identify all the infected workers, and they did not restrict them from 
working on more than one farm.

The data accumulating is that dairy cattle are routinely infected by 
influenza A and that some of the cases are Avian isolates and not just 
infections from human influenza A strains.  It may be that cattle may be 
a common vector for infection of commercial poultry farms via the dairy 
workers and veterinarians (Multiple veterinarians were found to have 
been infected by the dairy virus and could have spread the virus to 
other farms).

My guess would be that Mexico does not have the issue of farm workers 
working on more than one farm.  In the US a lot of dairy workers are 
part time workers and have to work on more than one farm.  Labor costs 
are lower in Mexico, and workers likely work the whole day at one farm. 
Not only that, but flocks can be lost in Mexico and eggs would still be 
cheaper than in the US.  The price of eggs did not go up because it cost 
more to produce the eggs.  The price went up because supply went down 
and buyers had to secure the eggs that their customers needed.  When 
over 40% of your layer flocks go down it gets to be difficult to find 
eggs to buy and resell.  The big egg producers pretty much only set a 
minimum price that they need to make money.  If someone wants to pay 
them more to insure that they have enough eggs for their needs they do 
not say no.  Really, big companies like Cargill claim that they did not 
raise their prices.  The market produced the high egg prices.  The 
prices were what the buyers were willing to pay to get the eggs that 
they needed.  The producers that are lucky enough to not lose flocks 
during the influenza outbreaks make a lot of money, but producers that 
lose all their flocks like the company in Arizona just did would be out 
of luck if the USDA did not have the reimbursement program (they get 
paid for the depopulated flocks).

Ron Okimoto