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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written Subject: Re: Two stories containing search for thumb on scales Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2025 14:41:50 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 28 Message-ID: <102cm5u$2525n$5@dont-email.me> References: <pan$16a67$e390fcd6$c09f2302$f3343967@cpacker.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2025 21:41:51 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d0f7d30392120a1d689f0067eb8c5a9d"; logging-data="2263223"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/OKmCRmwKO9QbbZkRCGzAJGdoid9KRqUA=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.11.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:mV/Nh3aE2QEguT/UbE4eXLxeZF8= In-Reply-To: <pan$16a67$e390fcd6$c09f2302$f3343967@cpacker.org> Content-Language: en-US On 11/06/2025 02.58, Charles Packer wrote: > A recent thread mentioned the "Foundation" character Arkady Darell. > That brought to mind Jean Morrel in A.C. Clarke's "Childhood's > End." Both women are instrumental in locating the home bases of > totalitarian powers that orchestrate events. (Their names even > have a similar ring: Darell/Morrel.) This raises the question: > Is there anyplace else in SF literature besides Asimov and > Clarke that feature remote, vaguely-defined powerful entities the > sussing out of which are a preoccupation of some of the characters? > I guess this could be considered a subset of stories that > feature any type of decoding of mysteries. Michael Flynn features an organization similar to the Second Foundation in _In the Country of the Blind_[1], which I quite enjoyed. A couple of differences: - They're based in San Francisco rather than on Genagbe - Their mathematical modeling technique was developed at about the time of the Glorious Slaveholders' Revolt, not in the far future. - They turn out to be "a bumbling, babbling band of baboons", with constant infighting and bickering. [1] <https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18017> -- Michael F. Stemper Why doesn't anybody care about apathy?