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On 6/12/2025 4:42 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
> Op 12.jun.2025 om 06:44 schreef olcott:
>> On 6/11/2025 8:29 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 6/11/25 8:03 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 6/11/2025 4:06 PM, anthk wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-06-07, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> The execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shows the divergence
>>>>>> of DDD emulated by HHH from DDD emulated by HHH1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> int main()
>>>>>> {
>>>>>>     HHH1(DDD);
>>>>>> }
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shows that DDD emulated by HHH and DDD emulated by
>>>>>> HHH1 diverges as soon as HHH begins emulating itself
>>>>>> emulating DDD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From the execution trace of HHH1(DDD) shown below*
>>>>>> DDD emulated by HHH1              DDD emulated by HHH
>>>>>> [00002183] push ebp               [00002183] push ebp
>>>>>> [00002184] mov ebp,esp            [00002184] mov ebp,esp
>>>>>> [00002186] push 00002183 ; DDD    [00002186] push 00002183 ; DDD
>>>>>> [0000218b] call 000015c3 ; HHH    [0000218b] call 000015c3 ; HHH
>>>>>> *HHH1 emulates DDD once then HHH emulates DDD once, these match*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The next instruction of DDD that HHH emulates is at
>>>>>> the machine address of 00002183.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The next instruction of DDD that HHH1 emulates is at
>>>>>> the machine address of 00002190.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 00002183 != 00002190
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _DDD()
>>>>>> [00002183] 55             push ebp
>>>>>> [00002184] 8bec           mov ebp,esp
>>>>>> [00002186] 6883210000     push 00002183 ; push DDD
>>>>>> [0000218b] e833f4ffff     call 000015c3 ; call HHH
>>>>>> [00002190] 83c404         add esp,+04
>>>>>> [00002193] 5d             pop ebp
>>>>>> [00002194] c3             ret
>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002194]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _main()
>>>>>> [000021a3] 55             push ebp
>>>>>> [000021a4] 8bec           mov ebp,esp
>>>>>> [000021a6] 6883210000     push 00002183 ; push DDD
>>>>>> [000021ab] e843f3ffff     call 000014f3 ; call HHH1
>>>>>> [000021b0] 83c404         add esp,+04
>>>>>> [000021b3] 33c0           xor eax,eax
>>>>>> [000021b5] 5d             pop ebp
>>>>>> [000021b6] c3             ret
>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0020) [000021b6]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    machine   stack     stack     machine    assembly
>>>>>>    address   address   data      code       language
>>>>>>   ========  ========  ========  ========== =============
>>>>>> <main is executed>
>>>>>> [000021a3][0010382d][00000000] 55         push ebp      ; main()
>>>>>> [000021a4][0010382d][00000000] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; main()
>>>>>> [000021a6][00103829][00002183] 6883210000 push 00002183 ; push DDD
>>>>>> [000021ab][00103825][000021b0] e843f3ffff call 000014f3 ; call HHH1
>>>>>> </main is executed>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New slave_stack at:1038d1
>>>>>> Begin Local Halt Decider Simulation   Execution Trace Stored 
>>>>>> at:1138d9
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <DDD emulated by HHH1>
>>>>>> [00002183][001138c9][001138cd] 55         push ebp      ; DDD of HHH1
>>>>>> [00002184][001138c9][001138cd] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; DDD of HHH1
>>>>>> [00002186][001138c5][00002183] 6883210000 push 00002183 ; push DDD
>>>>>> [0000218b][001138c1][00002190] e833f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH
>>>>>> </DDD emulated by HHH1>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New slave_stack at:14e2f9
>>>>>> Begin Local Halt Decider Simulation   Execution Trace Stored 
>>>>>> at:15e301
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <DDD emulated by HHH>
>>>>>> [00002183][0015e2f1][0015e2f5] 55         push ebp      ; DDD of 
>>>>>> HHH[0]
>>>>>> [00002184][0015e2f1][0015e2f5] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; DDD of 
>>>>>> HHH[0]
>>>>>> [00002186][0015e2ed][00002183] 6883210000 push 00002183 ; push DDD
>>>>>> [0000218b][0015e2e9][00002190] e833f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH
>>>>>> <DDD emulated by HHH>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New slave_stack at:198d21  DDD emulated by HHH
>>>>>> *This is the beginning of the divergence of the behavior*
>>>>>> *HHH is emulating itself emulating DDD, HHH1 never does that*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <DDD emulated by HHH emulating itself>
>>>>>> [00002183][001a8d19][001a8d1d] 55         push ebp      ; DDD of 
>>>>>> HHH[1]
>>>>>> [00002184][001a8d19][001a8d1d] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; DDD of 
>>>>>> HHH[1]
>>>>>> [00002186][001a8d15][00002183] 6883210000 push 00002183 ; push DDD
>>>>>> [0000218b][001a8d11][00002190] e833f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH
>>>>>> </DDD emulated by HHH emulating itself>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Local Halt Decider: Infinite Recursion Detected Simulation Stopped
>>>>>> HHH returns to caller
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <DDD emulated by HHH1>
>>>>>> [00002190][001138c9][001138cd] 83c404     add esp,+04 ; DDD of HHH1
>>>>>> [00002193][001138cd][000015a8] 5d         pop ebp     ; DDD of HHH1
>>>>>> [00002194][001138d1][0003a980] c3         ret         ; DDD of HHH1
>>>>>> </DDD emulated by HHH1>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <main is executed>
>>>>>> [000021b0][0010382d][00000000] 83c404     add esp,+04 ; main()
>>>>>> [000021b3][0010382d][00000000] 33c0       xor eax,eax ; main()
>>>>>> [000021b5][00103831][00000018] 5d         pop ebp     ; main()
>>>>>> [000021b6][00103835][00000000] c3         ret         ; main()
>>>>>> </main is executed>
>>>>>> Number of Instructions Executed(352831) == 5266 Pages
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Lean Lisp first, ideally with Scheme. Go get Concrete Abstractions
>>>>> and learn about recursivity and taill call optimization.
>>>>
>>>> Tail optimization would at best convert recursive emulation
>>>> into an infinite loop.
>>>
>>> Only for the DDD that calls the HHH that never aborts.
>>>
>>> Sorry, but you admission to the facts that show that all your claims 
>>> are just lies based on the category error of you not making HHH 
>>> actually a fixed programs, and thus DDD isn't a program, and thus not 
>>> something that CAN be correctly simulated, just shows that you don't 
>>> care about what the truth actualy is.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> void DDD()
>>>> {
>>>>    HHH(DDD);
>>>>    return;
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its
>>>> own "return" statement final halt state, thus is correctly
>>>> rejected by HHH as non-halting.
>>>
>>> Something that can not happen by your stipulations,
>>>
>>> Sorry, you have ADMITTED that this statement can't be true by 
>>> admitting that DDD isn't amoundg the category of things that can be 
>>> simulated.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> int DD()
>>>> {
>>>>    int Halt_Status = HHH(DD);
>>>>    if (Halt_Status)
>>>>      HERE: goto HERE;
>>>>    return Halt_Status;
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> The point of all of this is that the halting problem's
>>>> counter-example input is also correctly rejected as
>>>> non-halting thus refuting the conventional HP proof.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No it isn't, and the fact that you have admitted to the facts that 
>>> show that you have just been lying all these years about your system 
>>> being the equivalent of the halting problem proof, just shows how 
>>> little you care about truth.
>>>
>>
>> int DD()
>> {
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