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On 6/12/2025 3:31 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 00:50:31 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On Wed Jun 11 19:44:43 2025 Frank Krygowski  wrote:
>>> On 6/11/2025 4:42 PM, cyclintom wrote:
>>>> Energy prices have skyrocketed over the last 12 months as the wind and solar farms have gotten to the point of needing replacement.

stop acting like a single point in time is proof of anything. (lol)

>>>
>>> Hmm. How odd. I see no replacements happening in any of the solar
>>> installations in my area. Not many wind turbines here, but the ones I
>>> saw along Lake Erie last week seemed to be churning away as usual.
>>>
>>> I'd ask for sources of information, but I know the real source is the
>>> voice in Tom's brain.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Frank, stop acting like a single point in time is proof of anything.
> 
> Tom.  I haven't seen much corroboration from you for your amazing
> facts.
> 
>> The 120 foot windmills require REGULAR replacement of the blades. They are NOT recyclable and are normally simply buried.
> 
> Mostly true.  Yes, turbine blades are a problem, but they can be
> recycled.  They are stockpiled, not buried.
> 
> "Wind turbine blade recycling is underway in Iowa"  June 14, 2024
> <https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2024/06/14/wind-turbine-blade-recycling-is-underway-in-iowa/>
> 
>> And the attached generators burn out often because the ends of the blades are traveling just under the speed of sound and shaking everything to pieces.
> 
> Amazing.  I didn't know that turbine tip speed destroyed generators.
> Usually, the gearbox wears out before the generator.
> 
> "Wind turbine gearboxes: When is 20 years not 20 years?"
> <https://tamarindo.global/insight/analysis/wind-turbine-gearboxes-when-is-20-years-not-20-years/>
> "So almost all gearboxes in a wind farm are likely to fail within 20
> years."
> 
> Generators usually last a little longer (30 years):
> "Wind Energy End-of-Service Guide"
> <https://windexchange.energy.gov/end-of-service-guide>
> 
>> Solar farms leave the dead cells in place until they begin to show steep drops in power output.
> 
> That's by design.  In the distant past, the failure of a single cell
> drastically reduced the panel output.  With a properly designed MPPT
> micro inverter system, single cell failures can be tolerated.  When
> output is reduced to 80% of nominal output, it's considered defective
> and in need for replacement.
> 
>> What's more solar farms are OFTEN left in place and simply deserted. The Mojave Desert here is rife with them.
> 
> You're probably thinking of the Ivanpah solar-thermal plant.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivanpah_Solar_Power_Facility>
> It hasn't been abandoned, but is scheduled to shutdown in 2026:
> <https://apnews.com/article/california-solar-energy-ivanpah-birds-tortoises-mojave-6d91c36a1ff608861d5620e715e1141c>
> 
> Since you claim that "the Mojave Desert here is rife with them",
> perhaps you can provide a link to a list of decommissioned desert
> power plants or aerial photos?  I can easily find some that are still
> operational, but nothing that looks deserted or abandoned:
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=decommissioned%20Mojave%20solar%20power%20plants%20-Ivanpah&udm=2>
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=abandoned%20Mojave%20solar%20power%20plants%20-Ivanpah&udm=2>
> The circular power plant is Ivanpah.  I looked through many pages of
> photos and couldn't find an abandoned or decommission solar power
> plant in the Mojave Desert.  You really should check your facts before
> your waste my time proving you wrong (as usual).
> 
> 
> 
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