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On Fri, 6/13/2025 1:23 AM, Joel wrote:
> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>>> Is it easy for people who *don't* listen to your bullshit about using
>>>> Gentoo and LFS, nimrod?
>>>
>>> That should be, "Is it easy for people who listen to [...]"
>>
>> I actually recommend Gentoo to people too. Just
>> for the Gentoo Handbook. It's an easy recipe to follow
>> up to a point.
>>
>> When I've run Gentoo, it works best if you use it every
>> day. The fun happens if you don't boot it for six months,
>> then you attempt to catch up on "changes" over the six months.
>>
>> The first time I got stuck in a "cant-go-forward",
>> "cant-go-back" package management issue, there were
>> comments about using biases to get out of it. I actually
>> managed to escape, and it was all working again.
>>
>> But the package manager just kept getting thicker and
>> thicker. The next time I got caught in one of those
>> situations, I couldn't figure out how to escape and
>> keep the package management working.
>>
>> I even set up a DISTCC server on my second PC that had
>> more cores (possibly the six core Test Machine), to help
>> my weaker daily driver do a make world. You need the same
>> distro state on both, for that to work.
>>
>> It's fun as a technical challenge, but when something
>> breaks, it can be past my pay scale to fix. It's still
>> educational, and will make you more familiar with the
>> file tree.
>>
>> I've been hacking things like that for a long time. My group,
>> working on UNIX boxes, we had sweet fuck all for software to
>> use at work. We didn't even have a web browser, when web
>> browsers first came out. Imagine trying to use Lynx to
>> collect engineering data fro electronics sites. But we used
>> to build our own novelty softwares in the X11R4/X11R5 era.
>> One department had their own X11R5 tree. I could have set one
>> up, but I didn't want too many questions about it. When they
>> caught me building a browser from source, they made me delete it.
>> That may have been NCSA Mosaic.
> 
> 
> I just think it's absurd to try to manually set up the OS, if the idea
> is to have a modern OS.  Larry's system is so rudimentary.  It's
> impossible to understand why he treasures it, the obsession with
> compiling relative to his exact hardware, etc.  Debian with Cinnamon
> gives one a Windows-like environment in Linux.  It's just not
> customizable to the Nth degree.  He's stupid, retarded, obsessive.  He
> just needs to get a life.
> 

I prefer people to know something about what they're using.

One thing that really irritates me, is someone may mention a
hard drive is sick, and the damn thing is 30 seconds from death,
and they really think they're getting to keep their files.
These people are oblivious to what's going on under the hood,
and anything you can post to make them more aware about
what they're using, means fewer silly threads about
"so how can I get my files back?" later.

You can be naive, up to a point, but there are some things
you should not ignore. I feel the same way when I spot a car
with under-inflated tires, and any sort of hint to the person
about the dangers of driving that way, it's worth a mention.

One twit in a grocery store parking lot, in the middle of
winter, the entire inside of the car was frosted up.
I told them about the vents in the trunk getting stuck,
and the need to make sure that air is flowing through the
heater. It was a waste of time.

I actually witnessed a crash, on a car in similar shape. Someone
was driving on a four lane main road near me, I was walking up
to the grocery store, they were driving and scraping a completely
frosted windshield with a credit card. They ran into a car
merging into the road from the right. When the parties got out
of their cars (unhurt), I pointed out to the person that was
merging, that the other driver couldn't see a thing. That's
when he called police on his cell. And as I faded into the
distance, the police car was there :-/

   Paul