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From: "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl>
Newsgroups: comp.theory
Subject: Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2025 11:11:22 +0200
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Op 12.jun.2025 om 17:51 schreef olcott:
> On 6/12/2025 4:37 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>> Op 12.jun.2025 om 02:52 schreef olcott:
>>>
>>> If you don't understand the difference between object
>>> instances of OOP classes and the classes themselves
>>> then you might not understand.
>>>
>>> int main()
>>> {
>>> D(); // calls H(D) and the parameter to this H(D)
>>> } // is not the caller of this instance of H(D)
>>>
>> The analyser should not decide about an instance, but about what is
>> specified by the code.
> void DDD()
> {
> HHH(DDD);
> return;
> }
>
> The input to HHH(DDD) specifies a sequence of configurations
> that cannot possibly reach their own "return" statement
> final halt state.
The input is a pointer to code that includes the code to abort and halt.
That HHH is not able to reach that part of the code is a failure of HHH,
not a property of the program specified in the input.
That HHH cannot reach it, does not change the specified code. The
program aborts as world-class simulators en direct execution of exactly
the same input prove.
>
> That you are insufficiently competent to see this is proven
> by the fact that you have no rebuttal anchored in correct
> reasoning.
>
Ad hominem attacks only prove your lack of counter-arguments.